INFO-VAX Thu, 03 Jan 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 5 Contents: Automatically starting a decterm window when remote workstation starts Don't believe it! [was Re: OT - pdp5 FS believe it or not..] Help identifying a cable Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? HP CIFS vs. JYC's Samba Re: Island Computers is moving Re: Island Computers is moving Re: Island Computers is moving Re: Looking for older Fortran manuals Re: Looking for older Fortran manuals Re: OT: The penultimate legal schmuckery of 2007. Re: Question about INSTALLing shared images Re: Question about INSTALLing shared images Re: this declaration may not have extern "C" linkage while porting C++ VMS machines in San Francisco ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:49:18 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Automatically starting a decterm window when remote workstation starts Message-ID: <477c85e9$0$29537$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Any suggestions on the best way to do the equivalent of: SET DISPLAY/NODE=xxx/transport=TCPIP CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACHED/NOLOGGED Automatically whenever a workstation becomes available ? I am thinking along the lines of a detached process that attempts to ping the workstation at regular intervals and when the workstation appears, it does the CREATE/TERM command (is there a callable interface for this ? or the only way to create a DCL process to execute the command ?) The question becomes: how do you detect if that decterm has been terminated (at which point, you start to poll the workstation again until it becomes responsive). Or should I focus on doing this from the MAC's side, adding whatever command are needed in its boot scripts to "tell" the VMS box to create the detached process ? (RSH or whatever). What I like about the "ping until there is a response" is that the mac would not have to authenticate itself against the VMS machine to cause the create/term/nologger command to execute and I would then login normally to any account I would want. If I use the RSH mechanisms, it means that the mac needs to authenticate itself to the VMS box and I suspect this would be a security issue of keeping VMS passwords on a MAC, right ? ------------------------------ Date: 02 Jan 2008 14:57:48 -0500 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Don't believe it! [was Re: OT - pdp5 FS believe it or not..] Message-ID: patrick jankowiak writes: > believe it or not.. yes it's OT.. but to find one in a radar store and > not in pieces at a computer reseller, it unusual.. Don't believe it. > DIGITAL COMPUTER. > Cabinet mounted with memory core, and operating panel. Pwr: 115V, 60 Hz. > Mfr: Digital Equipment. PDP-5. I called the company this morning to see what further information I could gather on this system. The very courteous gentleman with whom I spoke told me that this system had been scrapped years ago, and the on-line listing is a relic of the Thomas Register listing that had not been caught in a cleanup of their site. I was not the first inquiry he had received. :-) > happy new year! > Patrick Jankowiak Happy New Year, Patrick! -- Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." news@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:54:41 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Help identifying a cable Message-ID: Thanks for identifying the last item! (Bill and others.) I have a cable I'd like to identify now. If you can take a look at: http://mysite.verizon.net/stafford.winters2/Unknown-Clear-Signal-cable.html (Sorry if it wrapped.) The jacket itself has INMAC CLEAR SIGNAL CABLE on it, but there is no identifying tag as I'm used to seeing. It's only cluttering up my home office, so I'd like to figure out what it is and get it outta here. Thanks, Tad ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:17:15 -0500 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? Message-ID: <8660a3a10801021617w563b82eaq34e990ff94d685d5@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 28, 2007 8:19 PM, David B Sneddon wrote: > On Dec 29, 7:55 am, Forrest Kenney wrote: > > If it used to auto reboot something changed to cause the > > system disk or it's signature to change, or for the boot otions > > list to change. There are many ways for this to happen. > > > > If you upgraded from V8.3 to V8.3-1h1 you should have been > > given the option to add or change a boot option. You could have fixed > > this then. At this point you can change it at the EFI shell using > > vms_bcfg, or on the running system using @sys$manager:boot_options.com. > > > > Forrest Kenney > > I have used boot_option.com and have removed and recreated > the boot option... no change. > > Dave > I've glanced at the 8.3 patches and there are some that mess around with the EFI. Are you patched up? WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:32:37 -0800 (PST) From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? Message-ID: <886fa441-de75-445a-b1ed-42bad94452ba@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jan 2, 2:09 pm, Robert Deininger wrote: > > Auto-boot may be blocked by a "stop boot" condition detected by the > firmware. You should see a message about this, before the Boot Manager > menu is displayed. You can also go to the EFI shell and use the "info > warning" command to see if there is a stop boot. > > Does the first boot option listed in the menu boot the system when you > select it manually? > > -- Robert There is no message before the boot manager menu (except that it will autoboot in 10 seconds... this flashes up for a brief moment and is replaced by other text). The "info warning" command reveals that there are no "stop boot" conditions. "info boot" indicates that autoboot is ON with a 10 second timeout. When selecting the first menu option, yes the system boots. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 16:33:43 -0800 (PST) From: David B Sneddon Subject: Re: How to get an Integrity to auto-reboot? Message-ID: <177933c4-3570-478a-90e9-f4187ca1710f@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Jan 3, 12:17 am, "William Webb" wrote: > I've glanced at the 8.3 patches and there are some that mess around > with the EFI. > > Are you patched up? > > WWWebb Fully patched i.e. the three patches (current as of today) have been installed. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:08:32 -0700 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: HP CIFS vs. JYC's Samba Message-ID: <13nogtjhnu8ub93@corp.supernews.com> How does the recently released HP CIFS (Samba) compare to JYC's Samba 2.2.8? We're running on an AlphaServer 1200 using VMS 8.3 and TCPIP 5.6. Thanks in advance, Mike Ober. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:22:56 GMT From: David Turner Subject: Re: Island Computers is moving Message-ID: Actually we did about 10% than last year. Granted it is more expensive, but we were having problems with breakins (of the criminal entry type) and the area was getting very polluted (we were aacross the street from a Titanium Dioxide plant) Amazingly the new ATT T1 is upo and running and mail and web are working I have noticed a lot of attacks on the systems but hopefully the Linux firewall will do it's job. If anyone would like to try and get into the site (no malicous entry please) I would appreciate your inputs dt On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:59:40 -0500, David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > Dear All > > Please note that we are currently moving and numbers etc are going to > change > > Our new details are below > > Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 (dependent on AT&T) Tel: 912 786 8502 x 201 > Fax: 912 786 8505 > > Our website may be down for a couple of days as AT &T is troubleshooting > a T1 issue. > This goes for email too, but hopefully this will be resolved soon > > > > David B Turner > > ***NEW ADDRESS AS OF DEC 28 07*** > > Island Computers US Corp > 1207 East Highway 80 > Suite D > Tybee GA 31328 > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by > persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from all computers. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:14:21 -0700 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Island Computers is moving Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080102211344.028770a0@raptor.psccos.com> ..and besides, I know a couple good seafood places & bars on Tybee Island... At 06:22 PM 1/2/2008, David Turner wrote: >Actually we did about 10% than last year. >Granted it is more expensive, but we were having problems with breakins >(of the criminal entry type) and the area was getting very polluted (we >were aacross the street from a Titanium Dioxide plant) > >Amazingly the new ATT T1 is upo and running and mail and web are working >I have noticed a lot of attacks on the systems but hopefully the Linux >firewall will do it's job. >If anyone would like to try and get into the site (no malicous entry >please) I would appreciate your inputs > >dt > > > >On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:59:40 -0500, David Turner, Island Computers wrote: > > > Dear All > > > > Please note that we are currently moving and numbers etc are going to > > change > > > > Our new details are below > > > > Toll Free 1-877 636 4332 (dependent on AT&T) Tel: 912 786 8502 x 201 > > Fax: 912 786 8505 > > > > Our website may be down for a couple of days as AT &T is troubleshooting > > a T1 issue. > > This goes for email too, but hopefully this will be resolved soon > > > > > > > > David B Turner > > > > ***NEW ADDRESS AS OF DEC 28 07*** > > > > Island Computers US Corp > > 1207 East Highway 80 > > Suite D > > Tybee GA 31328 > > > > > > > > > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > > which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or > > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other > > use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by > > persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If > > you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > > material from all computers. ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 05:58:17 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Island Computers is moving Message-ID: David Turner wrote in news:QNWej.58280$L%6.58277 @bignews3.bellsouth.net: > Actually we did about 10% than last year. > Granted it is more expensive, but we were having problems with breakins > (of the criminal entry type) and the area was getting very polluted (we > were aacross the street from a Titanium Dioxide plant) > > Amazingly the new ATT T1 is upo and running and mail and web are working > I have noticed a lot of attacks on the systems but hopefully the Linux > firewall will do it's job. > If anyone would like to try and get into the site (no malicous entry > please) I would appreciate your inputs > > dt > > > >> David B Turner >> >> ***NEW ADDRESS AS OF DEC 28 07*** >> >> Island Computers US Corp >> 1207 East Highway 80 >> Suite D >> Tybee GA 31328 >> Now you just need to get the physical address on the web page updated. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:39:51 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: Looking for older Fortran manuals Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:00:06 -0500, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Was there something specific you wanted to know? I have copies of both No, thanks, nothing specific. I was just looking for the right manual, with all those little details about the VAX Fortran implementation that in current manuals are either hidden among paragraphs which outline differences between Itanium and Alpha, or sometimes maybe completely removed. Moreover I was looking for something published when Fortran 77 was current (or at least more usual than now) :-) G. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:52:46 GMT From: gerry77@no.spam.mail.com Subject: Re: Looking for older Fortran manuals Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 09:10:15 -0800 (PST), Volker Halle wrote: > you can find old documentation at: > > http://www.sysworks.com.au/odl.html I knew them because they appear quite often searching with Google, but I didn't think to look at their site for specific information because I was looking for PDF manuals, anyway they have something very useful about Fortran so I'll stick with them until I'll find something in PDF. Thank you for this suggestion, G. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:45:58 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT: The penultimate legal schmuckery of 2007. Message-ID: <477C5A76.6965C603@spam.comcast.net> VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > [snip] > Just the RIAA. I know many bands and musicians, and they would not like > the inductry to die -- just the RIAA. I think I liked RIAA better when they were helping to create industry standards for recording/playback equalization. By these new measures, taking a picture of a masterpiece (painting, sculpture, etc.) is likewise the grandest of larceny... NOT!!! David J Dachtera DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:18:58 -0500 From: John Reagan Subject: Re: Question about INSTALLing shared images Message-ID: If you don't use the [OVERLAID] attribute in the Pascal source, then you are probably all set. Just compile, link, and install/SHARED/OPEN/HEADER -- John Reagan OpenVMS Pascal/Macro-32/COBOL Project Leader Hewlett-Packard Company ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:44:37 -0500 From: D Gillbilly Subject: Re: Question about INSTALLing shared images Message-ID: On 2 Jan 2008 07:53:53 -0600, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: >In article , AEF writes: >> >> When you INSTALL an executable as a shared image, can it be any >> executable? I once discussed this with my developer for a program run >> by multiple traders and he said we'd have to check for traders >> stepping on each other, so to speak. So my question is: Doesn't VMS >> automatically provide each process running shared executable its own >> private data area in memory or does the program have to be explicitly >> written with the assumption that it will be installed shared? > > Each image is broken up into program sections (PSECTs). PSECTs can > be read only, writeable, shareable, ... > > You need to look at the LINK map I once installed an image with one psect incorrectly marked as SHR. Oops. Duane > and verify that you don't have any > PSECTs that are both writeable and shareable. If that's true you > can install /shared and you will use less physical RAM. If that's > not then you can re-LINK the image using a linker options file to > change the PSECT characteristics. > > The older Fortran compilers for VAXen made all the COMMON blocks > shareable and writeable. Current Fortran compilers and other > language compilers don't tend to do this. Many compilers have ways > of specifying this in the source code, so you don't have to use > linker options. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2008 15:04:53 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: this declaration may not have extern "C" linkage while porting C++ Message-ID: In article <6xOej.2$xl6.0@newsfe09.lga>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article <5u1m4rF1fm3msU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> >>In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> In article , writetosanjesh@gmail.com writes: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Im porting a source code base from sunos to HP-UX. While compiling >>>> some sources, Im getting the errors like >>>> >>> >>> Which is relavent to VMS why? >> >>It's as relevant as the RIAA. :-) > > ...but that was marked "Off Topic". Instead of the proper approach - post it elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 13:24:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Subject: VMS machines in San Francisco Message-ID: As users on Deathrow and EISNER:: probably already know, I'm looking for a VMS-capable machine in the San Francisco area. If anyone has a VAX, Alpha, or Itanium box to get rid of cheaply, please let me know. Thanks ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.005 ************************