INFO-VAX Mon, 04 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 70 Contents: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Re: F$UNIQUE library function Hollywood NetBook Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) OMFG. A Usenet post of mine cited in a patent OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Seagate 12/24 GB Scorpion STD624000N Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #15 Re: VT100 standards and EDT Re: Wrong place but desperate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:29:36 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: <13qdj7pngi3hi58@corp.supernews.com> "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:47a64e04$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > John Wallace wrote: > > You seem to be assuming that "large installed base" implies that a product > > does actually "meet customers requirements". This can be a rash assumption, > > especially when in the context of a monopoly supplier with years of > > structuring "deals" in order to maintain and even extend that monopoly. > > Sharepoint is one of many products bundled with the MS Action Pack, an > > excellent "deal" on MS's part (in the UK it's GBP200 per year (per site?), > > given the relevant MS certifications), because it makes it financially > > uninteresting for MS "partners" (dealers, consultants, etc) to look outside > > MS for alternatives to MS products, even if the non-MS alternatives might > > sometimes better "meet customer requirements". Readers who aren't aware of > > the MS Action Pack may want to look at > > https://partner.microsoft.com/40013779 (or wherever) for background. > > Same concept as DSPP. > > Arne > Same concept as DSPP? Only if you're ignoring the details... DSPP: aiui, not intended to be used to run the business on, you need real licences for that (aiui). MS Action Pack: run the business on it. See the web pages - you get real server licences, and real client licences in moderate quantity. Things they do have in common: requiring some level of commercial partnership, licences expire annually. Which one is the better deal? How can they afford it without grossly ripping off real customers? hth John ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:14:02 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: F$UNIQUE library function Message-ID: Endianness matters more when using a published string. We use the method as described in RFC-4122. When generating the binary octaword, it is a structure of fields, and so there is no issue. It is when transmitting the individual fields where the endian problem arises. Version 1-5 are simply differences in generation method, with type 4 being a cryptological quality random number as part of the GUID, type 2 being a DCE security method. If I had to go into the code and guess - it is probably type 1 (MAC address). But without looking that is just a guess. They all generate sufficiently unique values - types 3-5 removing any trace of origin. "Arne Vajhøj" wrote in message news:47a509ba$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk... > FredK wrote: >> SYS$CREATE_UID creates a valid UUID/GUID as per the standards. It >> returns a binary Octaword that can be directly used. However, the >> display or "wire" format of a UUID/GUID is broken into fields - some of >> which are byte-swapped. The point being, that if you see a text version >> of a UUID you cannot simply transpose it directly into a binary Octaword. >> I learned this the hard way... >> >> I believe that F$UNIQUE returns the UID by simply converting the octaword >> to hex - so do not just add dashes and expect ot to be a valid wire >> format UUID. However, the value will still be unique. > > Does SYS$CREATE_UID create a version 2 UUID ? > > Because if it is a version 4 it should not matter whether > it is byte swapped or not. > > Arne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 04:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: "rogerkolsson@yahoo.co.uk" Subject: Hollywood NetBook Message-ID: Giuen Holding Ltd. des Cinemas Conf=E9deration des Produteurs de Programme Estates Hollywood NetBook; Online Bookshop Giuen Holding Ltd. des Cinemas Conf=E9deration des Produteurs de Programme Estates - Five Crown note: 2008-02-02 Net Book:http://vibe1.redcarpet1.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=3DMASTER List to administering strategic-cooperation: * Alexander Cruden * Crown agents for Overseas * Akademia * Alexandria arts and science * Ptolemy Soter * Academie Franchaise * Russian Academy of Science * Academie Imperiale des Sciences * Scientific Establishments * Council of Ministers for the co-ordination of scientific reasearch * Royal Academy * Royal Academmy Sistine Chapei at Rome * Aldus Manutius * Thomas Berthelet * Henry VIII * Nicholas and Clovis Eve * Le Gascon * Samuel Merne * A.M. 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"JF Mezei" wrote in message news:47a551a3$0$16158$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> But I'm not saying that the collection isn't impressive, I'm just saying >> that >> it's not impressive enough to be a world wide landmark (yet). > > > Nobody outside of the VMS community knows what "ZKO" is. It certaintly > isn't a world landmark. But inside the VMS community, ZKO is like Mecca. > It was a holy site to the VMS community where the VMS gods worked their > magic. > > > Similarly, Mr VAXman's cave isn't a world landmark, but to the > comp.os.vms community, it is a landmark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 10:36:31 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Shoppa Subject: OMFG. A Usenet post of mine cited in a patent Message-ID: <93e4e1fc-ffdf-4818-9b56-9f2e2d556017@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com> I know that we've entered an age where most publications are done electronically over the web. Heck, Gary Taubes wrote a story mentioning me and an electronic publishing brouhaha in the early 90's. But... Today I found my name cited in a patent, not for any hoity- poity scholarly work I've done, but FROM A USENET POST I MADE. That's right, Usenet posts are now making up the references in patents. And it's not like the writers of the patent put this reference in and it somehow slipped through: THE PATENT EXAMINER ADDED A REFERENCE MY USENET POST TO THE PATENT APPLICATION. This is just fucking bizarrely weird. It's not like I'm the original developer of anything. I've just used a lot of different technologies over the years - sometimes I mention them to help someone else out. I just quoted the online help from an OS I had used. I had no idea that my post would go into a StorageTek patent! http://www.google.com/patents?id=oYwSAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4&dq=shoppa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:59:00 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47a71ac2$0$15792$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide a serious answer. I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been born in the USA. Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the president ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:11:24 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47A71D0C.4010503@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: He is referrerd to as "the Governator!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:39:39 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <47A723AB.5090704@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: > > Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going > to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as > president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? > > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? Unless I've missed something in a quick scan of the U.S. Constitution, there are NO qualifactions prescribed for the office of Vice President. There may be case law on the subject. I'm not aware of any but IANAL. Quickly everyone! Who IS the Vice President?? ------------------------------ Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:19:14 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47a71ac2$0$15792$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? No one can hold the office of Vice President that is not qualified to the office of President (so says the US Constitution). So yes, it applies. > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? No one can be president by any means who does not meet the criteria given in the Constitution. So, by old example, if the sequence had reached Henry Kissenger when he was in the cabinet, it would have skipped to the next eligible person. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Feb 2008 12:20:24 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <47A723AB.5090704@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > Unless I've missed something in a quick scan of the U.S. Constitution, > there are NO qualifactions prescribed for the office of Vice President. You missed it. Scan slower (gotta run or I would post the Section and Article reference). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:19:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: <3b03cffe-6e64-4e28-accc-49868c905c87@b2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Feb 4, 8:59 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: > > Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going > to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as > president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? > > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? JF, In a word: NO. The eligibility rules for Vice President are the same as the rules for President (e.g., native citizen, age). In the original (unamended) Constitution, the second place finish in the Presidential election, an arrangement which had, shall we say, problems (e.g., President/Vice President from different parties and who were opponents in the election). This was changed by the XXIIth Amendment (1803, ratified 1804). - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:46:45 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: On Feb 4, 7:59 am, JF Mezei wrote: > Sorry for the OT, but this newsgroup has serious people who can provide > a serious answer. > > I know that that USA constitution requires the a president to have been > born in the USA. > > Does this requirement also apply to the Vice President ? > > Say you had an austrian born Vice President (we'll call him Arnold just > for the sake of discussion) , and the president becomes incapacitated: > > Would the VP be skipped (since he can't be president) and the job going > to the house speaker ? Or would the VP be accepted in this situation as > president (but not allowed to run for president when the term expires) ? > The 12th Amendment of the U.S.Constitution says among other things: ## "...no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States." ## From Article 2 section 1: ## "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ## So, the Governator can't be Vice President. > If the birth requirement applies to the VP, would it also apply to the > speaker and anyone else in the defined sequence of replacements for the > president ? They might hold a successor office, but they can not be declared President if they don't meet the requirements. Currently the Secretary of Commerce and the Secretary of Labor (defined as successors) are not eligible to act as president and would therefore be "passed over." Refer to the rest of Article 2 section 1, the 20th and 25th Amendment, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:14:17 -0600 From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" Subject: Seagate 12/24 GB Scorpion STD624000N Message-ID: <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B80105F186@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86738.3AA90870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone ever used a Seagate 12/24 GB Scorpion STD624000NSB with a Tru64 UNIX system? They sell for about $316 a piece. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C86738.3AA90870-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 02:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: VMS Audio Update - Episode #15 Message-ID: On Feb 2, 12:59 am, Sue wrote: > > thanks as always Ian, this is a good one. > > You know I really don't like listening to myself. > > Sue However other people should listen to your segment in the podcast as there is lots of useful information in there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:55:48 -0500 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: VT100 standards and EDT Message-ID: The only undocumented sequences that I know about have to do with manufacturing diagnostics and tests. "Antonio Carlini" wrote in message news:Xns9A37C464BE004arcarliniONieeorg@62.253.170.163... > billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in > news:60bhnjF1ol6tlU4@mid.individual.net: > > >> And, unless you have tried every possible combination, how do you know >> there are no undocumented escape sequences? What you need to do is >> run a datascope on the output of something like EDT (as we did) and >> then compare the things it sends to that documentation. 20 years ago >> EDT used escape sequences that were not in the documentation. DEC knew >> it and admitted it to our corporate people but would not tell us what >> they were or what they did. We certainly didn't invest all that time >> and money learning them for nothing. We were contractually bound to >> deliver a VT100 emulator that worked with VMS programs including MAIL >> and EDT. And it was a lot more work than just reading the >> documentation. > > I wrote a VT103[1] terminal emulator back in 1988 or so. The only > documentation I had was a VT100 User Guide and a Terminal handbook. > It didn't do double height but otherwise it was pretty complete. > It ran EDT and ALL-IN-1's editor without a hitch. > > That doesn't mean there aren't undocumented sequences (I'm sure > there are _some_ for the VT100), and there may even be seuqences > which do "things" but were never intended to do anything useful > (they just happened to slip through the parser). But if EDT uses > them then it must use them pretty rarely. > > Antonio > arcarlini@iee.org > > [1] Yes I know it's just a VT100 with a Q-BUS in there, but the > customer paying for this obviously went for the biggest number > they could find. I guess I should be grateful they didn't know > about the VT105 or VT125 or VT131/132. No, I didn't offer to > provice Q-BUS support. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 06:50:30 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: Wrong place but desperate Message-ID: <137a2064-de14-4931-a510-d6d71e25be45@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Jan 31, 2:20=A0pm, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > Is there anyone out there that can write a device driver for Tru64 5.1B > Specifically the LSI 53C1010 U160 Controller? I see from an other post that you already found comp.unix.tru64. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.tru64/browse_thread/thread/78abf68d= 8c35e8af/459240fab7cab500?hl=3Den You may also want to try the HP ITRC Forum for Tru64: http://forums12.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=3D280 Good luck! Hein. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.070 ************************