INFO-VAX Fri, 08 Feb 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 78 Contents: Re: "file locked by another user" mystery Re: Help identifying a cable NEW Mini DAT Libraries at Island Computers Re: OT: Hack contest Re: OT: Hack contest Re: OT: Hack contest Re: OT: Hack contest Re: OT: Hack contest Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:54:35 -0800 (PST) From: chessmaster1010@hotmail.com Subject: Re: "file locked by another user" mystery Message-ID: <5c75c7ba-def9-4727-ba0e-b55d8ff5be8c@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jan 31, 10:05=A0pm, AEF wrote: > On Jan 29, 6:14 pm, Fred Bach wrote: > The reason the status for TYPing a non-existant file is only a warning is simple - it does not abort TYPE. If your TYPE command line has a list of files and one or more of the files in the list do not exist, TYPE will output the warnings for those files but continue and type out any files in the list that do exist. The %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL warning is returned as the final status even if the final file in the list was ok. The behaviour is similar if one of the files found can not be opened by TYPE, for example due to it being locked by another user. You get a %TYPE-W-OPENIN warning and then TYPE moves on to the next file. This could happen even if you used a single file specification if it has wildcards.. Strangely though when both of these warnings occur %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL is always returned as the final status even when %TYPE-W-OPENIN occurs for the final file accessed. EDIT, on the other hand, will only process a single file spec (the default EDIT verb syntax does accept a file list, but as far as I can tell TPU ignores all but the first file specification in the list). Since in this case you are only processing one file it makes sense that any error accessing that file would be a fatal error. > > Well, I wouldn't want to STOP on severe errors as I'd probably want to > do some cleanup. Also, it's somewhat arbitrary what constitutes a > warning vs. an error vs. a "severe error". Why should editing ADSF: be > fatal while TYPEing it only a warning?: > > $ TYPE ASDF:[ASDF]ASDF > %TYPE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for ASDF:[ASDF]ASDF.LIS; > -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for > operation > $ SH SYM $SEVERITY > =A0 $SEVERITY =3D=3D "0" > $ > $ EDIT/EDT ASDF:[ASDF]ASDF > %EDT-F-OPENIN, error opening ASDF:[ASDF]ASDF.; as input > -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for > operation > $ SH SYM $SEVERITY > =A0 $SEVERITY =3D=3D "4" > $ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:19:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Cydrome Leader Subject: Re: Help identifying a cable Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Cydrome Leader wrote: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>> >>>>Cydrome Leader wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>INMAC was a huge computer cables distributor. I think they vanished in the >>>>>early 90s. >>>> >>>> >>>>If I recall properly, INMAC and the PC/MAC wharehouse became/merged >>>>into what is today CDW. >>>> >>>>BlackBox still has a big catalogue of various cables. >>> >>>BlackBox not only has a big catalog of cables and other stuff but, >>>if you can tell them what you need in terms of number of conductors >>>and what's connected to what, they will make you a custom cable! >> >> >> My issue with blackbox is the prices that are 50000% too high. >> >> There are other places that will make weird cable at sensible prices. > > It's like those $600 toilet seats the goverment sometimes buys. They > could get a standard toilet seat for $20 or so but these toilet seats > are non-standard, intended for use in an aircraft and the government > wants just four of them! So the manufacturer spends $2300 tooling up to > make the things and charges accordingly. > > If you want custom work, you generally have to pay for it! Frequently > it's expensive! If you want something really odd, it can get really > expensive. I'm sure that there are cases where someone other than Black > Box can do it cheaper. > > I've dealt with them for a couple of custom cables intended to connect a > VT320 to the console port on a Cisco switch. That's a piece of six > conductor cable, an RJ45 and an MMJ connector. You need the crimping > tool and dies for the RJ45 and the MMJ. Now you pay a couple of hundred > for the tool and two sets of dies, you buy a hundred feet of cable of > which 92 feet may never get used, a package of 50 or 100 RJ45 and a > package of MMJ. You need to know what pin on each end gets connected to > what pin on the other end. Add thirty minutes of my time which, I > assure you, cost my employer dearly. Most of that time is just finding > all the stuff I need; if you have all the tools and materials in front > of you, it's maybe five minutes work to actually make the cable. > > Black Box's pricing begins to look like a real bargain. If you happen > to have all this stuff, making the cable is five or ten minutes work and > it's faster, easier, and cheaper than getting it from Black Box. > Everything from black box is priced like they're tooling up to make it just for you, which isn't the case. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:43:59 -0500 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: NEW Mini DAT Libraries at Island Computers Message-ID: <13qou9n4p8qe92f@news.supernews.com> We have acquired brand NEW 20/40GB DAT Autloaders in tabletop boxes. They are identical to the C5717C except in an Island desktop box These have a 6 x 40GB Autoloader magazine. Price from HP is $2895 Our price NEW with 1 Yr warranty is $995. Comes with 2M SCSI U3 Cable and terminator Good for VMS 7.2-1> and Tru64 5.1a> Subject to availability -- David B Turner Island Computers US Corp 1207 East Highway 80 Suite D Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 877-6364332 x201 Intl: 912 786 8501 x201 Fax: 912 786 8505 E: dturner@islandco.com W: http://www.islandco.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 04:08:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest Message-ID: <5fdba18f-94f9-475f-975c-b404cb6f7d4c@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On Feb 8, 12:18 am, Phaeton wrote: > http://www.news.com/2102-1002_3-6229577.html?tag=st.util.print > > Vista, Leopard, Linux to compete in hack contest. > > ------------------------ > > I wonder why VMS is not there... :-) > > Cheers, Csaba > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| http://csabaharangozo.blogspot.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: > > The bigger the front, the bigger the back. Phaeton, Probably since a team led by the late John Wisniewski fielded an OpenVMS at DEFCON 9 (see https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dc_press/archives/9/vmsone_writeup.htm ). It was rated "cool and unhackable". Or, if one prefers a more official comment, see the comments at the tail end of "Achieving the Highest Levels of IT Security with HP OpenVMS (presently at http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf ). I recall John mentioning that after that contest, the rules were changed to "require an Intel processor", effectively excluding OpenVMS from the competition until the advent of the Itanium version. While John was an HP employee, the DEFCON expedition was a private project of John and a few of his friends from the DFWLUG. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 12:51:25 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest Message-ID: In article <5fdba18f-94f9-475f-975c-b404cb6f7d4c@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Bob Gezelter writes: >On Feb 8, 12:18 am, Phaeton wrote: >> http://www.news.com/2102-1002_3-6229577.html?tag=st.util.print >> >> Vista, Leopard, Linux to compete in hack contest. >> >> ------------------------ >> >> I wonder why VMS is not there... :-) >> >> Cheers, Csaba >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| http://csabaharangozo.blogspot.com >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: >> >> The bigger the front, the bigger the back. > >Phaeton, > >Probably since a team led by the late John Wisniewski fielded an >OpenVMS at DEFCON 9 (see https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dc_press/archives/9/vmsone_writeup.htm >). It was rated "cool and unhackable". Or, if one prefers a more >official comment, see the comments at the tail end of "Achieving the >Highest Levels of IT Security with HP OpenVMS (presently at >http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf ). > >I recall John mentioning that after that contest, the rules were >changed to "require an Intel processor", effectively excluding OpenVMS >from the competition until the advent of the Itanium version. While >John was an HP employee, the DEFCON expedition was a private project >of John and a few of his friends from the DFWLUG. > >- Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com Note that the list of OSs competing doesn't include any commercial Unix systems not even Solaris which is available on Intel or even the open source BSDs. Looks to be a competition between "popular" desktop systems. The article refers to the "PWN to own" contest of 2007 which consisted of hackers trying to hack into a Macbook and which was won through a quicktime vulnerability. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:54:22 +1100 From: Phaeton Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest Message-ID: <47ac511a_2@news.chariot.net.au> Bob Gezelter wrote: > On Feb 8, 12:18 am, Phaeton wrote: >> http://www.news.com/2102-1002_3-6229577.html?tag=st.util.print >> >> Vista, Leopard, Linux to compete in hack contest. >> >> ------------------------ >> >> I wonder why VMS is not there... :-) >> >> Cheers, Csaba >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| http://csabaharangozo.blogspot.com >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: >> >> The bigger the front, the bigger the back. > > Phaeton, > > Probably since a team led by the late John Wisniewski fielded an > OpenVMS at DEFCON 9 (see https://www.defcon.org/html/links/dc_press/archives/9/vmsone_writeup.htm > ). It was rated "cool and unhackable". Or, if one prefers a more > official comment, see the comments at the tail end of "Achieving the > Highest Levels of IT Security with HP OpenVMS (presently at > http://h71028.www7.hp.com/ERC/downloads/4AA0-2896ENW.pdf ). > > I recall John mentioning that after that contest, the rules were > changed to "require an Intel processor", effectively excluding OpenVMS > from the competition until the advent of the Itanium version. While > John was an HP employee, the DEFCON expedition was a private project > of John and a few of his friends from the DFWLUG. > > - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com Bob, I put a smiley after my comment :-) I have worked with VMS for many years, I know its strengths. I posted this link with some tongue-in-cheek. I have heard about the DEFCON 9 incident, I have been reading this newsgroup for over ten years now, daily. All the best, Csaba ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| http://csabaharangozo.blogspot.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]: The bigger the front, the bigger the back. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2008 13:38:44 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest Message-ID: <6134b4F1t5gpkU1@mid.individual.net> In article <47abe5c1$1_2@news.chariot.net.au>, Phaeton writes: > > http://www.news.com/2102-1002_3-6229577.html?tag=st.util.print > > > Vista, Leopard, Linux to compete in hack contest. > > ------------------------ > > I wonder why VMS is not there... :-) > Probably because in today's IT world it is totally irrelevant. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 08 Feb 2008 15:22:07 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Hack contest Message-ID: <47ac739e$0$15195$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <6134b4F1t5gpkU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >In article <47abe5c1$1_2@news.chariot.net.au>, > Phaeton writes: >> >> http://www.news.com/2102-1002_3-6229577.html?tag=st.util.print >> >> >> Vista, Leopard, Linux to compete in hack contest. >> >> ------------------------ >> >> I wonder why VMS is not there... :-) >> > >Probably because in today's IT world it is totally irrelevant. So is Vista. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:24:39 +0100 From: Sebastian Hanigk Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > Sometimes there is no accounting for the actions of a Government Ministry, > American or German. :-) The wonders of (ministerial) bureaucracy ... *g* Sebastian ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 2008 07:18:13 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Very: OT. US election and constitution question Message-ID: In article <610kapF1su041U5@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Not so sure it is all that easy. My daughter carries an American Passportr > and is an American citizen. But, as far as Germany is concerned, she was > born a German and will remain one until her death no matter where she > chooses to live. I am fairly certain you can renounce US citizenship, > but the same is not true of many other citizenships!! Not suprizingly, this varies not only from country to country, but also from time to time. Evading madatory military service seems to be a popular Greek passtime. 8-) Many greeks work overseas, or on cruise boats that go nowhere near Greece, for the years they would have to serve if they were home. (I'm quite certain that a great many Greeks serve proudly, also. They seem to be quite patriotic about Greece, but not necessarily about the current government there, sound familiar?) One such fellow worked for me. He had property in Greece that he wanted to build a house on, but could not go home because he would immediately be put into service. After he took up American citizenship (which by U.S. law means he gave up Greek citizenship), he said he still could not go home because Greece wouldn't recognize that. But after a change of government (election), the new Greek administration changed policy and he visited Greece a couple months later. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.078 ************************