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Shadow set problem finally solved Re: Simple Clustering question Re: Simple Clustering question Updated GNV kits available Re: Weekly Boot Camp Update ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: "sarwer1@gmail.com" Subject: Arabic Language Learning System Message-ID: 5dDlIMPm4SDj1MfR38kg4e0gyMfh4+be2iChIObD0czmIOPkIMfh4eUgw+Qgw+bd3iDd7SDH4ePT x9rPySDh4+Qg7dHbyA0K3e0gytrh4yDH4eHbySDH4drRyO3JIKEg3cPL5MfBIMrV3c3tIN3tIMfh 4+be2iDH4ePKztXVySDIytrh7eMgx+Hh28kNCsfh2tHI7ckg5szPyiDj5t7aIMrTytjt2iDj5OUg ytrh4yDH4drRyO3JIOPMx+THIKEg5t/Q4d8g487H0cwgx+HN0ebdDQrmx+Hfy+3RIC4uDQpUaGlz IGlzIG15IGZpcnN0IHBhcnRpY2lwYXRpb24gaW4gdGhpcyBzaXRlLiBJdCBpcyBteSBwbGVhc3Vy ZSB0byBoZWxwDQp0aG9zZSB3aG8gd2lzaCB0byBsZWFybiBBcmFiaWMuIEkga25vdyBhIHNwZWNp YWxpemVkIHNpdGUgaW4gdGVhY2hpbmcNCkFyYWJpYyBsYW5ndWFnZSBmb3Igbm9uLUFyYWJzIHdo ZXJlIHlvdSBjYW4gbGVhcm4gQXJhYmljIGNoYXJhY3RlcnMNCmZyZWUgYW5kIG11Y2ggbW9yZS4N Cg0Kd3d3LlRoZWdyZWVuZ2F0ZS5uZXQNCmh0dHA6Ly90aGVncmVlbmdhdGUubmV0L3NpdGUvaW5k ZXgucGhwP29wdGlvbj1jb21fY29udGVudCZ0YXNrPXZpZXcmaWQ9MTMyJkl0ZW1pZD0yMjEmbGFu Zz1lbmdsaXNoDQo= ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 2008 13:08:01 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <47cfecb1$0$15178$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > >>In article , bakermo@swbell.net writes: >>>Hello, >>> >>>I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a >>>black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and >>>even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. >>> >>>I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch >>>from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? > >>Who did you download the patch if you are so internet paranoid? > >It's probably a paranoid customer. It sounds like military or maybe a >3 letter agency, who often believe networks serve only one purpose: To >give spies access. I guess the obvious was missed. These people would connect a system to the internet that is so full of security holes that securing it would be tantamount to bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon but they won't con- nect up their fortress. So now they've downloaded some file(s) from the internet to this PeeCee. What's to assure them that they have is safe and sound? I've seen virii for Weendoze spread by 'sneakernet' in the past. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 07:14:32 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: In article , bakermo@swbell.net writes: > Hello, > > I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a > black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and > even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. > > I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch > from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? > > Is there a way to burn a CD on XP PRO that VMS 8.3 will mount/read? > > HP support told me to burn an image. I have done this with Nero with > no luck. > > This is a one of a time requirement. > > Is it possible to burn a CD from XP? What software do you recommend > and how is it done (if possible)? You need to burn the CD in a format that VMS can recognise. VMS 8.3 will recognise standard CD interchange formats like High Sierra, ISO 9006, ..., but NOT DOS/Windows FAT format. You can get DOS floppy format readers for VMS, but they may not recognise the FAT format used for CDs. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 07:18:16 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <5o98CGuSQSA0@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <47cfecb1$0$15178$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >>>In article , bakermo@swbell.net writes: >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a >>>>black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and >>>>even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. >>>> >>>>I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch >>>>from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? >> >>>Who did you download the patch if you are so internet paranoid? >> >>It's probably a paranoid customer. It sounds like military or maybe a >>3 letter agency, who often believe networks serve only one purpose: To >>give spies access. > > I guess the obvious was missed. These people would connect a system to > the internet that is so full of security holes that securing it would be > tantamount to bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon but they won't con- > nect up their fortress. > > So now they've downloaded some file(s) from the internet to this PeeCee. > What's to assure them that they have is safe and sound? I've seen virii > for Weendoze spread by 'sneakernet' in the past. Security policies must be based on formal security goals, and in some cases the formal security goal is to prevent release of information. That is well served by inbound CDROM transfers, with security officers quite willing to allow it when incoming viruses are not the concern. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:50:16 -0800 (PST) From: skulker Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: On Mar 6, 7:08=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (= Michael Moroney) writes: > >VAXman- =A0@SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > > >>In article , bake...@swbell.net writes: > >>>Hello, > > >>>I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a > >>>black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and > >>>even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. > > >>>I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch > >>>from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? > > >>Who did you download the patch if you are so internet paranoid? > > >It's probably a paranoid customer. =A0It sounds like military or maybe a > >3 letter agency, who often believe networks serve only one purpose: To > >give spies access. > > I guess the obvious was missed. =A0These people would connect a system to > the internet that is so full of security holes that securing it would be > tantamount to bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon but they won't con- > nect up their fortress. > > So now they've downloaded some file(s) from the internet to this PeeCee. > What's to assure them that they have is safe and sound? =A0I've seen virii= > for Weendoze spread by 'sneakernet' in the past. =A0 > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)= COM > > =A0 "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This file was downloaded from a secure HP site to which I was provided a temporary username and password by an HP employee. At least I have a security trail back to a person at a company. Yeah - I know, he may be insane and send me a problem, but sometimes we have to take chances. That is not the issue in any event. I am trying to learn how to burn a CD on XP that may be read by OpenVMS. The source of the data is irrelevant to this discussion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: skulker Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <60bea474-f09a-4014-afc8-ca2924a4ef39@n36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Mar 5, 9:20=A0pm, "John E. Malmberg" wrote: > Craig A. Berry wrote: > > First issue is what type of patch? FIBER SCSI patch for OpenVMS 8.3 > > A firmware patch as a bootable CD image? No. > > A sofware patch, which is just a binary file. Yes. > The file must be transfered to Microsoft system in binary format. Excellevt point. I downloaded via HTTP from HP's support website. I think I will ask them for a temporary FTP account and download from their. Thanks! > > > Beg, borrow, or steal any freeware CD burning utility you can get. =A0 > > Nero has its own proprietary format that is useless to anything but > > Nero. I have had a couple of suggestions via email. I will give them a try. > > I have had absolutely no problems using NERO to build bootable I64 VMS > volumes. > > I created the volume on an LDAn: disk on VMS, dismounted the disk, and > binary copied it to the Windows XP machine where I then burned it. > > -John > wb8...@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 14:00:05 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: In article , skulker writes: >That is not the issue in any event. I am trying to learn how to burn a >CD on XP that may be read by OpenVMS. The source of the data is >irrelevant to this discussion. Provided you have access to an additional OpenVMS system you may try the following (what I do here, togehter with a Mac): 1. Install the virtual disk device driver: $ MCR SYSMAN IO CONNECT - vda0:/NOADAPTER/DRIVER=diskb:[prg.ext.vstep2]vddriver.exe 2. Verify the installation: $ SHOW DEVICE VDA 3. Either use the existing container file in DISKG:[EDV], CDIMAGE1.DSK or create a new one: 3.1 Create the contiguous container file on a disk drive which has sufficient space. The number of blocks allocated for the container file must be a multiple of 4 (for 2048 byte CD-ROM sectors) and 3 (for the default cluster size for an OpenVMS disk of around 650Mb). $ COPY NL: DKA600:[000000]CDIMAGE1.DSK /ALLOCATE=1331196 /CONTIGUOUS 1331196 (== 681572352 bytes = 649.998 Mb) is the maximum number of blocks for a 74 minute CD-ROM which is a multiple of 12. (I used 4x5=20 => 1331180 because of cluster size 5 on my disk but this was too large. New try was 50000 for 25 MB and it worked. 1212416 seems to be close to the maximum size) 3.2. Set the end of file marker to the end of the allocated space of the container file, set some attributes to protect it and make it suitable for binary mode FTP transmission. $ SET FILE DKA600:[000000]CDIMAGE1.DSK /END /NOBACKUP /NOMOVE - /NOSHELVE ! this lasts very long... $ SET FILE DKA600:[000000]CDIMAGE1.DSK - /ATT=(RFM:FIX,RAT:NONE,LRL:512,MRS:512) 3.3. Repeat steps 2.2 to 2.3 for as many virtual disks as required. A different name is required for each new container file. 4.1 Define a command for the assignment program: $ asnvd :== $diskb:[prg.ext.vstep2]asnvdm6.exe 4.2. Assign the container file to the virtual disk device thus: $ ASNVD /ASSIGN vda0: disk9:[000000]CDIMAGE1.DSK 4.3. Verify the assignment thus: $ ASNVD /REPORT VDA0: 4.4. Repeat steps 3.1 to 3.3 for as many virtual disks as required. A different name is required for each new container file. 5. $ INITIALIZE /NOVERIFY vda0: ! + evtl. /SYSTEM... $ MOUNT vda0: Put data on the disk 6. $ DISMOUNT vda0: $ ASNVD /DEASSIGN vda0: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Transfer the CD-Image file from VMS to the Mac via FTP (image transfer mode). Switch to the Mac and start "Gear". Use "Custom Format", then select the CD-image file for processing. You will be asked for the "Image Mode" ("Mode1") and "Sector Size" ("2048). There is no "subcode present" and no "gap included". General recorder settings are "verify CD-R after write". Advanced recorder settings use "track at once" as recording strategy and "fixate disk after recording". Finally click on "write". Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 14:16:03 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <63acl3F6m28sU2@mid.individual.net> In article <47cfecb1$0$15178$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >>>In article , bakermo@swbell.net writes: >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a >>>>black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and >>>>even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. >>>> >>>>I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch >>>>from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? >> >>>Who did you download the patch if you are so internet paranoid? >> >>It's probably a paranoid customer. It sounds like military or maybe a >>3 letter agency, who often believe networks serve only one purpose: To >>give spies access. > > I guess the obvious was missed. These people would connect a system to > the internet that is so full of security holes that securing it would be > tantamount to bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon but they won't con- > nect up their fortress. > > So now they've downloaded some file(s) from the internet to this PeeCee. > What's to assure them that they have is safe and sound? I've seen virii > for Weendoze spread by 'sneakernet' in the past. So, are you saying that somehow the Windows virus is going to attach itself to a VMS patch and then infect the VMS machine? For those without the experience, there are thousands and thousands of machines out there that not only have no connection to the public INTERNET but also a lot that have no connection outside their datacenter. Data can be brought in, but it is a one-way move. (been there, done that!!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:50:06 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <47D0049E.5070208@comcast.net> VAXman- wrote: > In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >> >> >>>In article , bakermo@swbell.net writes: >>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>I am trying to apply patches to a newly installed I64 VMS server in a >>>>black environment. This server has no network connections (yet) and >>>>even when it does it will not have access to the white world or FTP. >>>> >>>>I need to install a patch on this server. I have downloaded the patch >>> >>>>from HP but how can I get the patch to the VMS server? >> >>>Who did you download the patch if you are so internet paranoid? >> >>It's probably a paranoid customer. It sounds like military or maybe a >>3 letter agency, who often believe networks serve only one purpose: To >>give spies access. > > > I guess the obvious was missed. These people would connect a system to > the internet that is so full of security holes that securing it would be > tantamount to bailing out the Titanic with a teaspoon but they won't con- > nect up their fortress. > > So now they've downloaded some file(s) from the internet to this PeeCee. > What's to assure them that they have is safe and sound? I've seen virii > for Weendoze spread by 'sneakernet' in the past. > > In one famous case, a security penetration team got their code in place by delivering a "mandatory update" or some such thing. The victims dutifully installed it and . . . . ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 2008 14:58:27 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <47d00693$0$25020$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <63acl3F6m28sU2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >{...snip...} >So, are you saying that somehow the Windows virus is going to attach >itself to a VMS patch and then infect the VMS machine? For those No. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 14:58:30 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: skulker wrote: > On Mar 5, 9:20 pm, "John E. Malmberg" wrote: >> Craig A. Berry wrote: >> >> First issue is what type of patch? > > FIBER SCSI patch for OpenVMS 8.3 > >> A firmware patch as a bootable CD image? > > No. > >> A sofware patch, which is just a binary file. > > Yes. > > >> The file must be transfered to Microsoft system in binary format. > > Excellevt point. I downloaded via HTTP from HP's support website. I > think I will ask them for a temporary FTP account and download from > their. It may already be in binary format. That depends on what your web browser did. You will need to rename the file to have an 8.3 format, and then burn it on a CD-ROM in strict ISO-9660 format as a track at once. Do not use multi-sessions, which seems to be the default for many of the PC burning programs. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 09:45:47 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: In article <47D0049E.5070208@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > In one famous case, a security penetration team got their code in place > by delivering a "mandatory update" or some such thing. The victims > dutifully installed it and . . . . But in an actual incident (not a penetration test by an authorized team), the Bear Software case, the "mandatory update" did _not_ get installed - it just got thrown on top of the pile of other uninstalled update tapes. An interesting sidelight of the way I heard that story is the the on-site perp (Lenny Desicco?) delivered the package dressed as a UPS driver, as he and Kevin Mitnick understood that there were greater penalties for impersonating a USPS employee. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 08:07:55 +0100 From: Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> Subject: Re: I64 layered products Message-ID: <47cf983f$0$14355$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Become a dspp member, it's free. Then you can download the compilers from HP. http://www.hp.com/dspp Jur. Dan Holm wrote, On 6-3-2008 0:57: > I am a hobbyist with a zx6000 newly acquired from eBay, with a fresh > installation of I640831H1 performed over the network. I'd like to > install the C and CXX compilers, but it appears those are not > conveniently located on the Compaq FTP server like the AXP compilers > were. > > What are my likely options for obtaining I64 compilers? Are the I64 > layered products available in the same place as the I640831H1.BCK-GZ > saveset, for those lucky enough to know the volume name of the > layered products disk? If not, if I were to provide SCP access, > would someone be able to share a couple kits? > > On a separate note, however, the installation using the Infoserver > server on an Alpha to the I64 was totally painless. At least, once > I figured out why the BOOTP server on the Alpha wasn't responding to > the PXE boot requests; if the filename specified in the host > database for the I64's MAC address doesn't exist (I typo'd the > filename), the server will silently ignore the boot requests from > that MAC address. Even if you enable debugging on the BOOTP server, > all you'll see is that it received a request; it will not tell you > why it's being ignored. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 01:47:07 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: I64 layered products Message-ID: There is a VMS Alpha 8.3 kit for the hobbyist with an alpha but not (yet) one for those lucky few with an itanium. I guess you will need to borrow some media from somewhere. Itanium VMS hobbyists are few and those with no access to Itanium VMS media at work even rarer. Perhaps if you give a hint of where you are then someone local may be able to assist. If you can join the DSPP then you will be able to download much useful software. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 05:25:06 -0800 (PST) From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: I64 layered products Message-ID: <81e4d3c8-f57f-4172-ae0a-230370773498@47g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Mar 6, 2:07 am, Jur van der Burg <"lddriver at digiater dot nl"> wrote: > Become a dspp member, it's free. Then you can download the compilers from HP. > > http://www.hp.com/dspp > > Jur. > In poking around the DSPP site it looks to me like you have to be a corporate member to download any of the compilers. All of the topics I found (ACMS, Datatrieve, DECforms, DECset, GKS, compilers) all say free download for partners. when I go to their pages it says I must be a Company Member So far the only stuff I can download seems to be some open source items (Samba/CIFS and Mosaic) I can get even if I'm not a DSPP member. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong spot? I log into the DSPP page and choose "Software downloads" from the menu on the left side of the page. Then I chose "Operating Systems: OpenVMS" in the "Product category" section of the "Tools, Products and Technology" group.. This takes me to a page which lists the applications I mentioned above. When I go to their pages it says I must be a Company Member. John H. Reinhardt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:04:41 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: HP's boss dethroned from #1 spot as richest man. Message-ID: <47cfb414$0$10303$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9887197-7.html?tag=nefd.top Yep, not only did Bill Gates lose the #1 spot as the world's richest man to Warren Buffet, he in fact slipped to #3 spot behind a mexican industrialist. NSA satellites have pictures of a large and wild Party in Mr VAXman's backyard. :-) :-) Warren Buffet is at 62 billion. Carlos Slim at $60 billion. Bill Gates: $58 billion. With Gates effectively retiring this coming July, I wonder where HP will get its leadership from. Will Ballmer use strongarm tacticts to retain control over its slaves like HP, Dell, Lenovo etc ? Or would wintel companies slowly gain some freedom in what they do ? The Wintel companies have truly commoditised. They sell nearly identical products and are differentiated by price, sales and marketing and the colour of their boxes. If Microsoft loses market leadership, does this mean that wintel maker smay stay to differentiate their products with more significant innovation ? Or will Intel now have full control over them ? ------------------------------ Date: 06 Mar 2008 13:22:41 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: HP's boss dethroned from #1 spot as richest man. Message-ID: <47cff021$0$15178$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47cfb414$0$10303$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9887197-7.html?tag=nefd.top > >Yep, not only did Bill Gates lose the #1 spot as the world's richest man >to Warren Buffet, he in fact slipped to #3 spot behind a mexican >industrialist. > >NSA satellites have pictures of a large and wild Party in Mr VAXman's >backyard. :-) :-) JF, I am no fan of Billzebub Gates nor his opulence and that of these other societal gluttons. No party, wild or otherwise, in my backyard celebrating that which I was raised to eschew. >Warren Buffet is at 62 billion. >Carlos Slim at $60 billion. >Bill Gates: $58 billion. I say tax these warts down to about $1 billion and use that money to address some of the ills in society. On second thought, forget that. The government(s) would just piss it away on some tomfoolery. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 14:11:36 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Scientists meet in NY to show global warming natural Message-ID: <63accoF6m28sU1@mid.individual.net> In article , Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: > In article <3812c263-5543-44eb-aa38-100ac1fa0a93@p73g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, ultradwc@gmail.com writes: >> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=58024 > > This has no place in comp.os.vms. And if people just ignored him it would cut the OT content by at least half if not more. (This is the only comment you will see from me on any of his subjects!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 07:04:13 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <4e7a25eb-008d-42a8-9e2f-6f9de045c96a@v3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On 28 Feb, 13:23, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > here is a glance of things to come if Hillary or Obama implement > their healthcare plan ... the bbc did not report it but a teen died > while waiting on an ambulance that was setting at the hospital > with a patient inside because the hospitals were full and did not > want to violate a government mandate of a 4 hour must treat law. > > Canada people coming here ... England people that have the money > flying to India to have surgery ... > > don't worry, those rich liberal Harvard grads will be able to afford > it while those they claim to want to help will be dying waiting for > an ambulance ... > > that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7249514.stm Bob. 47 million Americans have no heath insurance, 8.7 million of those are children. Studies have estimated that up to 18,000 people a year die in the US unnecessarily because they do not have health insurance. Want to guess which heatlhcare system I would prefer to have as my safety net??? Regards Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:17:16 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47D00AFC.5090609@comcast.net> Andrew wrote: > On 28 Feb, 13:23, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > >>here is a glance of things to come if Hillary or Obama implement >>their healthcare plan ... the bbc did not report it but a teen died >>while waiting on an ambulance that was setting at the hospital >>with a patient inside because the hospitals were full and did not >>want to violate a government mandate of a 4 hour must treat law. >> >>Canada people coming here ... England people that have the money >>flying to India to have surgery ... >> >>don't worry, those rich liberal Harvard grads will be able to afford >>it while those they claim to want to help will be dying waiting for >>an ambulance ... >> >>that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... >> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7249514.stm > > > Bob. > > 47 million Americans have no heath insurance, 8.7 million of those are > children. > > Studies have estimated that up to 18,000 people a year die in the US > unnecessarily because they do not have health insurance. > > Want to guess which heatlhcare system I would prefer to have as my > safety net??? > > Regards > Andrew > I had no health insurance as a child! I'm not sure that there was such a thing in the 1940's ! I managed to survive somehow. Of course medical care was a great deal cheaper then and your life expectancy was not quite as great as it is now. There were fewer people, fewer doctors, fewer hospitals, fewer miracle drugs, etc. A lot of people died, people we could cure today. There are still things we cannot cure but there is usually some sort of treatment that provides some sort of relief, extended survival, etc. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:26 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: On Mar 6, 9:04 am, Andrew wrote: > On 28 Feb, 13:23, ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > here is a glance of things to come if Hillary or Obama implement > > their healthcare plan ... the bbc did not report it but a teen died > > while waiting on an ambulance that was setting at the hospital > > with a patient inside because the hospitals were full and did not > > want to violate a government mandate of a 4 hour must treat law. > > > Canada people coming here ... England people that have the money > > flying to India to have surgery ... > > > don't worry, those rich liberal Harvard grads will be able to afford > > it while those they claim to want to help will be dying waiting for > > an ambulance ... > > > that what socialism does, it ruins a country ... > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7249514.stm > > Bob. > > 47 million Americans have no heath insurance, 8.7 million of those are > children. > > Studies have estimated that up to 18,000 people a year die in the US > unnecessarily because they do not have health insurance. > > Want to guess which heatlhcare system I would prefer to have as my > safety net??? > Here in the US we can be proud of our system where according to the CDC, each year there are ~1.7 million health care-associated infections and 99,000 related deaths. An AP article was just published today about a clinic in Las Vegas: Yep, the US system's working just great. NOT! ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2008 12:08:11 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: In article <47D00AFC.5090609@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > > I had no health insurance as a child! I'm not sure that there was such > a thing in the 1940's ! I managed to survive somehow. That is not the issue. Those who did not survive are the issue. And now I'll try to stop feeding the troll. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 10:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: tadamsmar Subject: Shadow set problem finally solved Message-ID: <5befc23b-434c-4e41-ba00-df8d7fae2ca1@x30g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> Well, I have posted about a shawdow set problem that I had: Hard errors in the error log only during a shadow set merge or ANAL/DISK/ SHAD that were apparently not in blocks allocated to files. This is a 2 disk shadowset on a DS10 running 7.3.2. I got 2 new disks to replace the old ones. I swapped out one disk and merged it in. But I got the same errors on the new disk at exactly the same LBAs! Then I swapped the other disks and merged it in. I got the same errors on it at the same LBAs! To be exact, I get a few more errors on the source disk for the merge, probably due to retries, but all at the same 4 LBAs on both disks. Here's what I think happened: Had one bad disk that had parity errors (or a glitch that established some parity errors). Once those errors were established, they are just copied from disk to disk every time I merged a shadowset. One thing I don't know is why ANAL/DISK/SHAD/BLOCKS=FILE hits these parity errors, since all other tests indicate that the reported LBAs are not in a file. ANAL/DISK/READ reported no errors, and DFU indicates that the LBAs are not in a file. To get rid of these errors I am in the process of trying this: 1. Broke a disk out of the shadow set and did an image save and compress on it. 2. Booted on that disk and remerged the shadow set. That merge is in progress. I will see if I have any errors on it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:24:13 -0500 From: Robert Deininger Subject: Re: Simple Clustering question Message-ID: In article , Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com wrote: > On Mar 5, 9:10 am, "David Turner, Island Computers" > wrote: > > Can my customer with 2 ES45 cluster with just > > 1 gigabit ethernet, cluster license and y cables? > > > > Does he actually need memory channel? > > > > Never been asked this before.... > > > > I figured > > > > Y cable with term. ----cable-----system ---y cable ----system ----- > > HSZ80-----term > > > > Or am I missing something? > > As PL said, yes you can. I'd suggest using two gigabit NICs > in each ES45 with "cross-over" connections (i.e., direct > connections) between the two systems and avoid having > a network switch in the mix for the cluster traffic. They > can connect to their larger network with a 3rd NIC. > > At my former employer, we used the scheme quite > successfully with both 2-node and 3-node ES40 clusters > (the 3-node clusters used more NICs to get full redundancy > between each pair of nodes). Oh, I should qualify the > above by stating we were using 100 mbit NICs, not > 1000 mbit, but that shouldn't be an issue... > > I can't comment on the SCSI connections to the > storage...is a SAN out of the question (HSG, Brocade, > KGPSA)? One ethernet port per system is fine for clustering, provided it can handle the network traffic with acceptable performance. It all depends on the workload. Cluster traffic will coexist happily with other network traffic on the same wires. If the customer has high availability requirements, simply adding more NICs may not really address the problem. NICs don't seem to fail too often; other failures are more likely in many situations. Most of the systems in the main OpenVMS engineering clusters only use one network port. But we don't have stringent availability requirements. Spares are available quickly, and the temporary loss of a single system isn't a big deal. Our redundancy is at the system level, not the component level. Memory channel is pretty rare as an OpenVMS cluster interconnect. I think it was the main interconnect for Tru64 clusters for a time, and it is still used there more than in OpenVMS. An HSZ80 with Y cables and proper termination, connected to both systems, is a good solution for OpenVMS cluster storage. The are newer subsystems that give (much) better performance, but that may not be an issue. The customer should consider the "Guidelines for Cluster Configurations" manual mandatory reading for this project. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/6318/6318PRO.HTML -- Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:52:40 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Gezelter Subject: Re: Simple Clustering question Message-ID: <7e9579e8-964b-48d5-a006-02de52f00c39@34g2000hsz.googlegroups.com> On Mar 5, 12:10 pm, "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > Can my customer with 2 ES45 cluster with just > 1 gigabit ethernet, cluster license and y cables? > > Does he actually need memory channel? > > Never been asked this before.... > > I figured > > Y cable with term. ----cable-----system ---y cable ----system ----- > HSZ80-----term > > Or am I missing something? > > David > > -- > Island Computers US Corp > PO Box 86 > Tybee Island GA 31328 > > T: 877 636 4332 x201 > M: 877 636 4332 x251 > I: 00 1 912 786 8501 > F: 912 786 8505 > E: dtur...@islandco.com > W:www.islandco.com David, Memory channel is supported, but is absolutely not mandatory for almost all OpenVMS cluster configurations (the almost refers to those few applications that I have seen that actually use the memory channel for more than simply a cluster interconnect). It is dangerous to "prescribe over the newsgroup", however, 1GB Ethernet is quite an adequate cluster interconnect. I would tend to recommend that a) an additional Ethernet (100MB is generally adequate) be configured as an alternate cluster path, and b) that both of the cluster paths be dedicated to cluster communications and not be used for general network communications. The second comment is a performance and security issue. I would also recommend care. There is no substitute for in-depth experience when configuring a cluster. The technology is the best in the industry, but care is needed for it to reach its full potential in a production environment. Having untangled many clusters over the years, it is far easier and less expensive to do it correctly at the beginning than to correct the problems later. - Bob Gezelter, http://www.rlgsc.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 02:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: IanMiller Subject: Updated GNV kits available Message-ID: Updated GNV kits are available which include changes which I think will be popular with some readers in this place. http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/03/06/8239351 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 13:28:03 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Weekly Boot Camp Update Message-ID: In article <47cea434$0$5616$607ed4bc@cv.net>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >In article , "R.A.Omond" writes: >>Sue wrote: >>> >>> [..snip...] >>> >>> Countries (no particular order) >>> >>> UK - Ireland 1 >> >>Oh dear. Sue, Ireland is *not* part of the UK. > >Perhaps Sue meant the Ununited Kingdom! > > >From Pink Floyd's Us and Them... > > With, without. > And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about. > > >Seems there was quite a bit of nastiness in England because of this. > Northern Ireland which is where the "Troubles" were is part of the United Kingdom (the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). The Republic of Ireland (Eire) - previously known as the Irish Free State - was recognised as independent by Great Britain in the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1922. (The whole of the island of Ireland had previously been part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland setup by the Act of Union of 1800). The "Troubles" caused nastiness in England because the IRA conducted a fairly extensive bombing campaign in Great Britain. Although UK - Ireland could well be read as being mistakenly referring to Eire as part of the UK it could just as easily be read as someone referring to Northern Ireland and unambiguously shortening it to Ireland by referring to it as part of the UK. (note. Northern Ireland is one of the constituant countries of the UK and hence can legitimately be referred to as a country - and often is in official Government documents). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >-- >VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > >http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.132 ************************