INFO-VAX Sat, 08 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 135 Contents: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Re: MYDOMAIN_COM.DB_805260;1 in bind directory OT: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! VAX-less in Seattle (was: VMS Update) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Mar 2008 13:11:03 -0600 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: In article <9txe$kJI1CdW@eisner.encompasserve.org>, BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes: > In article <08030613485719_20204A45@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) writes: >> From: AttackTribble@gmail.com >> >>> There's a potential problem here. What kind of binary is it? If it's >>> an EXE, dropping it on Windows has probably wrecked the attributes. >>> You'll have to fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it. >>> [...] >> >> When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly >> occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. > > Are there any attributes in Windows at all? As far as I know, the only > thing like an attribute is a file extension. I would go so far as to > surmise that drag and drop is a bit like VMS COPY: what it knows > about file attributes is moot, since it copies the bits, then sets the > destination 'attributes', if there are any, to match the source. > > The key with iso9660 mounted CD's is to mount them binary if you do not > want VMS to try to interpret files as text files. Once you have copied > the binary format over to your local drive, set the attributes back to > what you want them to be. I have found that stream-linefeed tends to > work even for many binary formats. An EXE should probably be defined > as fixed:512 . > >>> It is possible to burn a VMS format CD on a PC, but unfortunately you >>> have to build an ISO image on a VMS system in the first place and copy >>> it to the PC. There's a freeware utility called VMSCD that will create >>> an ISO for you. Google found me links to it straight away. I've used >>> it for building release CDs for the software we sell. >> >> Should I assume that when you say "ISO" here, you mean "image", not >> anything actually related to an ISO 9660 file system? For information >> on what an "ISO" really is, see, for example: >> >> http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm > > He means, of course, a .iso extension in Windows (or *nix), something intended > to refer to an image of an iso9660 filesystem. Of course, the burner software > does not care what the contents are, and if it happens to be an ODS-2 image, > it will happily put that on the CD for you when burning from an image file. > > The "ISO" terminology is not accidental in his post - many common burners > do in fact call it an ISO or something similar instead of calling it an image. > > -- > George Cornelius cornelius A T eisner D O T decus D O T org > cornelius A T mayo D O T edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: AttackTribble@gmail.com Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <820e58a5-6c3b-4def-8a86-855a77feb7cd@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: AttackTribble@gmail.com > > > There's a potential problem here. What kind of binary is it? If it's > > an EXE, dropping it on Windows has probably wrecked the attributes. > > You'll have to fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it. > > [...] > > When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly > occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. Incorrectly FTP'd executable: THTDEV-SS> run test %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image TEST -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA200:[SFS]TEST.EXE;1 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > > It is possible to burn a VMS format CD on a PC, but unfortunately you > > have to build an ISO image on a VMS system in the first place and copy > > it to the PC. There's a freeware utility called VMSCD that will create > > an ISO for you. Google found me links to it straight away. I've used > > it for building release CDs for the software we sell. > > Should I assume that when you say "ISO" here, you mean "image", not > anything actually related to an ISO 9660 file system? For information > on what an "ISO" really is, see, for example: I was referring to the suffix of the file involved. Picky much? > http://www.iso.org/iso/home.htm > > For the full details of ISO 9660, you may need to invest some franc: > > http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=17505 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 Shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 13:49:33 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <08030713493342_2020557A@antinode.org> From: AttackTribble@gmail.com > > > There's a potential problem here. What kind of binary is it? If it's > > > an EXE, dropping it on Windows has probably wrecked the attributes. > > > You'll have to fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it. > > > [...] > > > > When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly > > occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. > > Incorrectly FTP'd executable: > > THTDEV-SS> run test > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image TEST > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA200:[SFS]TEST.EXE;1 > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image Please define "Incorrectly FTP'd", and show how I can 'fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it.' Hint: An ASCII FTP transfer may change more than a file's atributes. I never said that it was impossible to wreck an executable. I simply asked for an example where changing its atributes wrecked it. I'm still waiting for that example. > > > It is possible to burn a VMS format CD on a PC, but unfortunately you > > > have to build an ISO image on a VMS system in the first place and copy > > > it to the PC. There's a freeware utility called VMSCD that will create > > > an ISO for you. Google found me links to it straight away. I've used > > > it for building release CDs for the software we sell. > > > > Should I assume that when you say "ISO" here, you mean "image", not > > anything actually related to an ISO 9660 file system? For information > > on what an "ISO" really is, see, for example: > > I was referring to the suffix of the file involved. Picky much? Sloppy much? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 20:54:18 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes: >> >> When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly >> occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. >Are there any attributes in Windows at all? As far as I know, the only >thing like an attribute is a file extension. There seems to be some sort of textfile attributes, whether a text file lines are delimited with , and possibly other ways. See some earlier posts by me when I was trying to get Samba working on VMS. Windows Notepad is brain-damaged enough to only know of the delimiters, and I was using Notepad (without luck) on Samba served files. I have since seen other (non-Samba related) text files Notepad won't deal with. It also seems to remember things like whether a file came from over the internet. XP sometimes warns about running .exe files from off the net. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 14:27:07 -0800 (PST) From: AttackTribble@gmail.com Subject: Re: Burn a CD from XP that VMS will mount/read? Message-ID: <96278515-7cae-4dcc-8a4d-1602f35e1bf2@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: AttackTribble@gmail.com > > > > > There's a potential problem here. What kind of binary is it? If it's > > > > an EXE, dropping it on Windows has probably wrecked the attributes. > > > > You'll have to fiddle around with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it. > > > > [...] > > > > > > When you get some spare time, please show me how any commonly > > > occurring attribute change damages the utility of a VMS executable. > > > > Incorrectly FTP'd executable: > > > > THTDEV-SS> run test > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image TEST > > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file DKA200:[SFS]TEST.EXE;1 > > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image > > Please define "Incorrectly FTP'd", and show how I can 'fiddle around > with "SET FILE/ATTRIBUTES" to repair it.' > > Hint: An ASCII FTP transfer may change more than a file's atributes. > I never said that it was impossible to wreck an executable. I simply > asked for an example where changing its atributes wrecked it. I'm still > waiting for that example. > > > > > It is possible to burn a VMS format CD on a PC, but unfortunately you > > > > have to build an ISO image on a VMS system in the first place and copy > > > > it to the PC. There's a freeware utility called VMSCD that will create > > > > an ISO for you. Google found me links to it straight away. I've used > > > > it for building release CDs for the software we sell. > > > > > > Should I assume that when you say "ISO" here, you mean "image", not > > > anything actually related to an ISO 9660 file system? For information > > > on what an "ISO" really is, see, for example: > > > > I was referring to the suffix of the file involved. Picky much? > > Sloppy much? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 I am so terribly sorry, oh perfect and exalted one, to have offended you. Sheesh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:05:56 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: MYDOMAIN_COM.DB_805260;1 in bind directory Message-ID: <47d1aea8$0$31276$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> sol gongola wrote: > I found hundreds of files like: > > MYDOMAIN.COM.DB_805260;1 > and > 1_168_192_IN-ADDR_ARPA.DB_90343E;1 > in SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$BIND] > > They are all length 0 blocks My *guess* is that they would be temporary "lock" files when there are some zone transfers or other type of dynamic updates being done to yur zone files. Check permissions on the directory and files to ensure TCPIP$BIND has the right to delete them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:53:00 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Proof that macintosh is better than VMS Message-ID: <47d1f21d$0$25450$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Last week, I ported from VMS to OS-X a small C program that generates lottery numbers (and postscript which then puts the squares in the right locations on the forms). Turns out that the Apple random number generator is far better than VMS' because on the first time I used the Mac generated numbers, I won a whopping $10 at the lottery. Statistically, my program on a MAC is 100% succesful at generating a winning number, whereas on VMS it rarely generated a winning number (and it was just a free ticket :=( So there you go, undeniable proof that Macintosh is better than VMS. :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:33:26 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47d1a709$0$10308$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> ultradwc@gmail.com wrote: > I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO > MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill > others because they will not believe ... Your rants in comp.os.vms are the milder equivalent of tying a bomb to yourself and making it explode where it doesn't belong. You are trying desperatly to attract attention to your beliefs and hoping to convince others to join your jihads for pollution and to defent the USA healthcare and use your bible to justify your positions on those issues. I didn't equate "christians" to "muslim extremists". I equated "christian extremists" to "muslim extremists". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:02:41 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47d1ade6$0$31276$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > I guess I'm just not up to date on the terminology. How does > "socialism" differ from state ownership/control? Air Canada was a crown corporation. Its shares were owned by the canadian government, but it operated as a corporation, with dividends and all (if it made profits). The canadian government, being the owner, would nominate its people onto the AC board. When the government sold its AC shares in the stock exchange, it stopped being government owned. However, to the public and AC customers, it made no difference, AC continued to sell tickets the same way, at the same prices and continued to have the same irritating staff and complaints about AC. When Canadair nearly went under, the canadian government bought all shares and kept Canadair alive. It had unique product needed to fight forest fires. It was also developping something new (the Challenger jet aircraft). Eventually, it found a buyer (Bombardier) and Bombardier then came in, cleaned it up and saw the potential to develop the challenger into a regional jet (the CRJ). Same thing happened to de-Haviland which remained government owned for quite some time, was then sold to Boeing and Bombardier then bought it from Boeing after Boeing decided it wasn't interested. This isn't about government using tax revenus to provide subsidized services to citizens. It is about the government using its money to make strategic investments to provide jobs and provide strategic services to let the economy grow. ( in the case of Air Canada, it isn't very different from a government building a highway and putting tolls on it to get the highway to pay for itself). In the USA, "pork" is the USA's equivalent. Consider that when the decided to retire the shuttle, the government didn't let NASA draw totally new plans, it imposed requirements that certain plants/companies (notably the one in the New Orleans area) continue to be used, so the new design has been squewed to make use of certain shuttle technologies. Socialism is about the government providing equal services to everyone. For instance, free schooling, subsidized university so it is very affordable, free healthcare to everyone etc etc. Note that in the case of healthcare, it doesn't preclude private clinics. It simply means that the private doctor will bill the national/provincial insurance company for his services instead of billing either the patient or some private insurance company. It also means that it is the government that decides what is covered by the health care plan and what isn't covered (eg: cosmetic/elective surgery isn't covered). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:27:46 -0500 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47D1DD82.1020208@comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > ultradwc@gmail.com wrote: > >>I AM TIRED OF YOU EQUATING CHRISTIANS TO >>MUSLIM EXTREMISTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >>Christians do not tie bombs to themselves and kill >>others because they will not believe ... > > > Your rants in comp.os.vms are the milder equivalent of tying a bomb to > yourself and making it explode where it doesn't belong. You are trying > desperatly to attract attention to your beliefs and hoping to convince > others to join your jihads for pollution and to defent the USA > healthcare and use your bible to justify your positions on those issues. > > I didn't equate "christians" to "muslim extremists". I equated > "christian extremists" to "muslim extremists". Both of you are adding to the noise level without convincing anyone! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:43:06 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Universal healthcare in England failing - boy dies ! Message-ID: <47d1ef9e$0$31251$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Both of you are adding to the noise level without convincing anyone! If you are being flooded with surrious unwanted OPCOM messages, you need to take some action and issue a REPLY/DISABLE to make them stop, or go to the source and fix the problem that generates those messages. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2008 14:52:08 -0500 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" Subject: VAX-less in Seattle (was: VMS Update) Message-ID: <47D15698.11187.AE904F0@infovax.stanq.com> On 6 Mar 2008 at 14:32, Rich Alderson wrote: > Since I'm in Seattle, I got in touch with the folks at Seattle Public Schools' > IT department. Although the newpaper story would have you believe that it's > the aged VAXen that are the problem, I'm told that it's the *application* that > is old, crufty, and fragile, and needs to be rewritten. I have a contact there. It took this article before she'd take my call. My goal, of course, was to suggest moving to CHARON-VAX. But she confirmed what Rich heard -- that they're looking at off-the-shelf software that can handle the greatly-increased number of students (since when the VAX was new). --Stan Quayle Quayle Consulting Inc. ---------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ Toll free: 1-888-I-LUV-VAX 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH 43147 USA stan-at-stanq-dot-com http://www.stanq.com/charon-vax.html "OpenVMS, when downtime is not an option" ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.135 ************************