INFO-VAX Thu, 10 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 201 Contents: Re: chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Re: Hitachi 500G SATA drive in a PWS 600au Re: Hitachi 500G SATA drive in a PWS 600au Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Re: Invoke program on pc? 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Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!die! Re: VMS advertising ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Subject: Re: chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem Message-ID: On 9 Apr, 03:56, Neil Rieck wrote: > On Apr 8, 10:53 pm, Neil Rieck wrote: > > > > > chip head stuff: Intel's Nehalem will finish as a quad-core supporting > > 16 threads and DDR3. > > Sorry but I runing low on coffee. Nehalem will finish as an octa-core > supporting 16 threads. With a quad-socket motherboard you'll end up > with 32 cores and 64 threads. > > http://www.dailytech.com/Intels+Nehalem+Flirts+With+32+GHz+at+IDF+200... > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ Sun just released the dual socket T2+ processor so they now have 1RU and 2RU servers with 16 cores and 128 threads. The performance numbers for TLP type workloads look very impressive. http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t5240/ They post some interesting benchmark results comparing T2+ with Power/ Intel/Itanium, I don't know how selective they have been but the numbers are interesting particularly in the 1RU/2RU form factors. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:06:02 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Message-ID: I would love the eopportunity to quote this memory Need CPU speed to match up the right memory Do you need memory raid? -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International: 001 706 993 1787 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Ken Fairfield" wrote in message news:665da4F2i73v1U1@mid.individual.net... > We have a pair of GS1280's, each hard-partitioned into two > nodes. On each GS1280, one node is configured with 12 CPUs > and 40GB memory, and the other has 16 CPUs and 32GB memory. > I believe these systems can hold up to 64 CPUs since > $ SHOW MEMORY indicates the "not present" counting up to > slot 63. > > We're in a position of needing to add more memory, but I > know very little about configuring a GS1280, especially > because this is my first experience with this class of > machine and I was not around when they were purchased and > installed. > > My basic question is whether I can simply expect that I can > install 32GB in each GS1280, or whether there are other HW > configuration questions that need to be answered first? > > I can access the MBM, but I don't know how to interpret its > output. > > Any pointers, warnings, or "check this first" would be greatly > appreciated! Also, if anyone has a favorite used equipment > dealer that trades in GS1280 memory, that would be great too. :-) > > Thanks, Ken > -- > Ken & Ann Fairfield > What: Ken dot And dot Ann > Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:08:49 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Message-ID: Ken Fairfield wrote: > We have a pair of GS1280's, each hard-partitioned into two > nodes. On each GS1280, one node is configured with 12 CPUs > and 40GB memory, and the other has 16 CPUs and 32GB memory. > I believe these systems can hold up to 64 CPUs since > $ SHOW MEMORY indicates the "not present" counting up to > slot 63. > > We're in a position of needing to add more memory, but I > know very little about configuring a GS1280, especially > because this is my first experience with this class of > machine and I was not around when they were purchased and > installed. > > My basic question is whether I can simply expect that I can > install 32GB in each GS1280, or whether there are other HW > configuration questions that need to be answered first? > > I can access the MBM, but I don't know how to interpret its > output. > > Any pointers, warnings, or "check this first" would be greatly > appreciated! Also, if anyone has a favorite used equipment > dealer that trades in GS1280 memory, that would be great too. :-) > > Thanks, Ken Neither I, nor any of my former employers, could afford a GS1280 nor did we have any need for quite that much capability. I saw a pair once! The FIRST thing you need to do is to ascertain how many free slots you have in which you can install memory. DEC/Compaq/HP had this nasty habit of filling ALL the slots with the smallest memory boards that would make up the required amount. When the time came to expand, you had to throw away, or trade in (nearly the same thing) your old memory to make room for the new. Then you talk to David Turner of Island Computers. He's a dealer and hangs out here. Then you mortgage your house and sell your daughters into slavery to pay for it. DEC/Compaq/HP had another nasty habit; they didn't use standard memory. Instead of buying, say 2GB DIMMs, off the shelf they designed their own and either manufactured it themselves or paid someone else to do so. This ensured that you couldn't use "off the shelf" memory that could be purchased anywhere! There is probably hardware documentation around somewhere that tells you what kind of memory you need, the maximum amount you can install, how to install it, etc. Anti-static precautions are mandatory!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:54:09 -0600 From: Keith Parris Subject: Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Message-ID: Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On Apr 9, 10:45 pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: >>We have a pair of GS1280's, each hard-partitioned into two >>nodes. On each GS1280, one node is configured with 12 CPUs >>and 40GB memory, and the other has 16 CPUs and 32GB memory. >>I believe these systems can hold up to 64 CPUs since >>$ SHOW MEMORY indicates the "not present" counting up to >>slot 63. > > 32 is the max. 64 CPUs never made it commercially for OpenVMS. 32 is the maximum supported within a single hard partition for OpenVMS Alpha. There can be up to 64 CPUs within a GS1280 box, though, as long as you don't put more than 32 into a partition that will run OpenVMS. The quickspecs say on page 5: "Maximum CPUs supported: 64 (64 per hard partition for Tru64 UNIX, 32 per hard partition for OpenVMS)" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken.Fairfield@gmail.com Subject: Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Message-ID: <512e391f-2ba1-46ba-b1fd-95a425bfbee3@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 8:54 am, Keith Parris wrote: > Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > > > On Apr 9, 10:45 pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > >>We have a pair of GS1280's, each hard-partitioned into two > >>nodes. On each GS1280, one node is configured with 12 CPUs > >>and 40GB memory, and the other has 16 CPUs and 32GB memory. > >>I believe these systems can hold up to 64 CPUs since > >>$ SHOW MEMORY indicates the "not present" counting up to > >>slot 63. > > > 32 is the max. 64 CPUs never made it commercially for OpenVMS. > > 32 is the maximum supported within a single hard partition for OpenVMS > Alpha. There can be up to 64 CPUs within a GS1280 box, though, as long > as you don't put more than 32 into a partition that will run OpenVMS. > > The quickspecs say on page 5: > > "Maximum CPUs supported: 64 (64 per hard partition for Tru64 UNIX, 32 > per hard partition for OpenVMS)" Looking at Quick Specs (thanks for the link, Hein :-), I see that we have the GS1280 Model 32's so we're close to being max'd out on number of CPUs (but that's not our problem). David Turner sent a memory configuration guide (thanks David!) and I'll try to talk with him later today. I'd like to understand what memory options we currently have installed so that I can figure out what we do to add to that, i.e., do I need to throw out smaller options to add in bigger ones, of will some of them need to be shuffled around, etc. Thanks everyone! -Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:42:00 -0500 From: marty@kuhrt.net Subject: Re: Hitachi 500G SATA drive in a PWS 600au Message-ID: In article <7c90233b-a8fe-485d-ac2d-2bd6b6f7b9e5@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: >On Mar 21, 6:07 pm, kuhrt.nospa...@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) >wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> My wife works for an online photo company and they use a lot of >> disk space. They are currently up to about eight petabytes of >> storage. The windfall for me is that they get rid of a bunch of >> working disks fairly often so they can upgrade. She just brought >> home a Hitachi 500G SATA drive for me to play around with. >> >> Drooling like Homer Simpson over a doughnut, I thought it would >> be neat if I could put this in my PWS 600au. So I ask the group; >> is there a PCI SATA HBA available for this machine? If not, is >> there a way, with an adapter, I could hang a few of these off one >> of my current SCSI HBAs (like a Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-2)? >> >> Any suggestions, or working examples, would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Marty > >I've never used the Acard SCSI-SATA bridges but I have had no trouble >at all running with the Acard UltraSCSI-IDE bridge card on several >7200RPM IDE drives (Seagate and Western Digital 200GB) on my >PWS600au. They get one error on startup and then run perfectly for as >long as the system stays up. They are a bit slower than native >UltraSCSI drives though. > Just to do a quick follow up. I decided agaist the SCSI-SATA adapter because the cheapest one I could find was about $100. Too pricy for a test that may, or may not, work. I did find a IDE-SATA adapter for $20 that is a small card that just attaches to the back of the drive. I hooked it up and powered up my PWS500a (or 600au, depending on the dip switches) and it showed up at the console as DQA0: Unfortunately, this is the box that doesn't like to present anything hanging off the IDE bus to VMS. Even playing around with the LOAD_DQ_INTEL_SIO.COM stuff from the alternate DQDRIVER couldn't get it to show up as anything but "Offline". I'm going to try another box that is a little more DQ friendly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:17:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Hitachi 500G SATA drive in a PWS 600au Message-ID: <9aa8cc69-24ec-4840-8ec5-92e849be8b9a@b64g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 11:42 am, ma...@kuhrt.net wrote: > In article <7c90233b-a8fe-485d-ac2d-2bd6b6f7b...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, Rich Jordan writes: > > > > >On Mar 21, 6:07 pm, kuhrt.nospa...@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) > >wrote: > >> Hi all, > > >> My wife works for an online photo company and they use a lot of > >> disk space. They are currently up to about eight petabytes of > >> storage. The windfall for me is that they get rid of a bunch of > >> working disks fairly often so they can upgrade. She just brought > >> home a Hitachi 500G SATA drive for me to play around with. > > >> Drooling like Homer Simpson over a doughnut, I thought it would > >> be neat if I could put this in my PWS 600au. So I ask the group; > >> is there a PCI SATA HBA available for this machine? If not, is > >> there a way, with an adapter, I could hang a few of these off one > >> of my current SCSI HBAs (like a Qlogic ISP1020 SCSI-2)? > > >> Any suggestions, or working examples, would be appreciated. > > >> Thanks, > >> Marty > > >I've never used the Acard SCSI-SATA bridges but I have had no trouble > >at all running with the Acard UltraSCSI-IDE bridge card on several > >7200RPM IDE drives (Seagate and Western Digital 200GB) on my > >PWS600au. They get one error on startup and then run perfectly for as > >long as the system stays up. They are a bit slower than native > >UltraSCSI drives though. > > Just to do a quick follow up. I decided agaist the SCSI-SATA > adapter because the cheapest one I could find was about $100. > Too pricy for a test that may, or may not, work. I did find a > IDE-SATA adapter for $20 that is a small card that just attaches > to the back of the drive. > > I hooked it up and powered up my PWS500a (or 600au, depending on > the dip switches) and it showed up at the console as DQA0: > Unfortunately, this is the box that doesn't like to present > anything hanging off the IDE bus to VMS. Even playing around > with the LOAD_DQ_INTEL_SIO.COM stuff from the alternate DQDRIVER > couldn't get it to show up as anything but "Offline". > > I'm going to try another box that is a little more DQ friendly. Good luck with it. My PWS is the later type that is IDE friendly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Immediate:TOLAS Programmer in McHenry, IL - DIRECT CLIENT Requirement Requir Message-ID: On Apr 9, 8:34=A0am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > > The rate will improve when the few people who will work for a figure > that low can't get the job done!- Hide quoted text - > Not a chance. This is EDS we are takling about. Think Wal-mart or the Chinese government with tanks in Teniman Square and you will have an accurate image. They have been looking since before November 2007 and feel no guilt what-so-ever for repeated cattle calls tying up good people's time. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 08:31:45 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Invoke program on pc? Message-ID: In article , Michael Austin writes: > > Because he has servers in a data center not workstations on some desk > and he needs a windows desktop to see what he is generating - or it > could be that fork-lift driver with a mobile-PC that needs to see it?? So start mozilla on VMS with the X server running on whatever is on his desk. I often do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 01:37:16 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <8d678f17-58dd-4634-bf9a-cddc19890526@m71g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 12:41 am, ma...@kuhrt.net wrote: > In article <2ab6e5fe-cfd8-486e-a0cd-eacff7f23...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Galen writes: > > >Brendan, > > >Thanks for the tip on my.indeed.com. I like the way the site is > >organized. It makes it simple to filter on combinations of location, > >company, etc., and seems to turn up as many VMS listings as any other > >job search site I've tried. > > >Galen > > I found that VMS is used more and more as an acronym that has > nothing to do with the Best OS. When I search dice.com, et. al., > with VMS I'll get hits for Vet Med Support, Java VMs, Vendor > Management Systems, etc. If there is more than one listing for > VMS (the OS) it will usually be multiple headhunters listing the > same one opening. > > Sigh. I forget who but someone in this newsgroup pointed out that this is an advantage of calling it OpenVMS. With only 26 letters in the alphabet, combined with an uneven distribution of usage of the various letters, for three letter acronyms you're going to have some coincidences. E.g.: National Science Foundation National Sanitation Foundation National Sleep Foundation Not Sufficient Funds See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSF for even more NSF acronyms! AEF ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 11:01:01 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <47fdf36d$0$5622$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <7JednVcdYOERB2DanZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@speakeasy.net>, marty@kuhrt.net writes: >In article <2ab6e5fe-cfd8-486e-a0cd-eacff7f23f2d@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Galen writes: >>Brendan, >> >>Thanks for the tip on my.indeed.com. I like the way the site is >>organized. It makes it simple to filter on combinations of location, >>company, etc., and seems to turn up as many VMS listings as any other >>job search site I've tried. >> >>Galen > >I found that VMS is used more and more as an acronym that has >nothing to do with the Best OS. When I search dice.com, et. al., >with VMS I'll get hits for Vet Med Support, Java VMs, Vendor >Management Systems, etc. If there is more than one listing for >VMS (the OS) it will usually be multiple headhunters listing the >same one opening. Try adding VAX. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:03:05 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <7JednVcdYOERB2DanZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@speakeasy.net>, marty@kuhrt.net writes: >> In article <2ab6e5fe-cfd8-486e-a0cd-eacff7f23f2d@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Galen writes: >>> Brendan, >>> >>> Thanks for the tip on my.indeed.com. I like the way the site is >>> organized. It makes it simple to filter on combinations of location, >>> company, etc., and seems to turn up as many VMS listings as any other >>> job search site I've tried. >>> >>> Galen >> I found that VMS is used more and more as an acronym that has >> nothing to do with the Best OS. When I search dice.com, et. al., >> with VMS I'll get hits for Vet Med Support, Java VMs, Vendor >> Management Systems, etc. If there is more than one listing for >> VMS (the OS) it will usually be multiple headhunters listing the >> same one opening. > > Try adding VAX. > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:03:48 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <4b9e1$47fdf3c7$cef8887a$9958@TEKSAVVY.COM> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Try adding VAX. Or try searching for "legacy" and "VMS" :-) Perhaps searching for "DCL" might yield better results since it is likley to be included in job requirements for any VMS job ? ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 08:34:51 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). DEC thought that was the correct name, and look where they are now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:17:37 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article <7JednVcdYOERB2DanZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@speakeasy.net>, >> marty@kuhrt.net writes: >>> In article >>> <2ab6e5fe-cfd8-486e-a0cd-eacff7f23f2d@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >>> Galen writes: >>>> Brendan, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the tip on my.indeed.com. I like the way the site is >>>> organized. It makes it simple to filter on combinations of location, >>>> company, etc., and seems to turn up as many VMS listings as any other >>>> job search site I've tried. >>>> >>>> Galen >>> I found that VMS is used more and more as an acronym that has >>> nothing to do with the Best OS. When I search dice.com, et. al., >>> with VMS I'll get hits for Vet Med Support, Java VMs, Vendor >>> Management Systems, etc. If there is more than one listing for >>> VMS (the OS) it will usually be multiple headhunters listing the >>> same one opening. >> >> Try adding VAX. >> > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). The "correct" name IS "VMS". "OpenVMS" is "change the name of the product" marketing bullshit. I've been calling it "VMS" for twenty-four years now and I'm not about to change. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:22:52 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080410072218.0234bcc0@raptor.psccos.com> At 07:34 AM 4/10/2008, Bob Koehler wrote: >In article , >=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > > > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). > > DEC thought that was the correct name, and look where they are now. Yeah, just look: 30 years later & VMS is still being developed & sold... ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <000d693b-a9d8-4723-b7d2-c5fd1a9a2922@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Apr 10, 9:22 am, Dan O'Reilly wrote: > At 07:34 AM 4/10/2008, Bob Koehler wrote: > > >In article , > >=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: > > > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). > > > DEC thought that was the correct name, and look where they are now. > > Yeah, just look: 30 years later & VMS is still being developed & sold... > > ------ > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ > | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | > | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | > | Process Software | and those who don't." | > |http://www.process.com | | > +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ [Nitpick alert!] No, OpenVMS is being sold! :-) AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:04:11 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >> Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). > > The "correct" name IS "VMS". "OpenVMS" is "change the name of the > product" marketing bullshit. I've been calling it "VMS" for twenty-four > years now and I'm not about to change. > And the job-sites realy care what *you* think ?? No, just search the sites using the correct name. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:32:48 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <7dd80f60804100732r468f9440of689af989a351ea5@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). > > > > > > > The "correct" name IS "VMS". "OpenVMS" is "change the name of the > product" marketing bullshit. I've been calling it "VMS" for twenty-four > years now and I'm not about to change. > > > > > > And the job-sites realy care what *you* think ?? When I use the job sites, I search on "any of the words vms, vax, openvms". This works on almost all of the sites. Yes, you get many false hits for VMS (vendor management system, vehicle maintenance system, etc.), but you do see the jobs that are out there, especially when the job ads are for VAX programmers or system people. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:08:11 -0500 From: marty@kuhrt.net Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: In article <7dd80f60804100732r468f9440of689af989a351ea5@mail.gmail.com>, "Ken Robinson" writes: >On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm > wrote: >> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> >> >> > >> > > >> > > Try using the correct name, OpenVMS (or "Open VMS"). >> > > >> > >> > The "correct" name IS "VMS". "OpenVMS" is "change the name of the >> product" marketing bullshit. I've been calling it "VMS" for twenty-four >> years now and I'm not about to change. >> > >> > >> >> And the job-sites realy care what *you* think ?? > > >When I use the job sites, I search on "any of the words vms, vax, >openvms". This works on almost all of the sites. Yes, you get many >false hits for VMS (vendor management system, vehicle maintenance >system, etc.), but you do see the jobs that are out there, especially >when the job ads are for VAX programmers or system people. > >Ken Just to follow up to all those that nattered about "Use the right name". If you use OpenVMS on most job sites you'll get zero hits. Most headhunters and HR drones don't know the "Right" name. Like Ken, I use a combo of names with the "match any" and sift out the ones I don't need/want. Not that I attack it that hard anymore. No paying VMS gigs (no matter what name you use) since late 2004, and it doesn't look like it will get any better any time soon. VMS in the SF Bay Area? Not that I can tell. Marty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: OpenVMS Technical Journal Now Available V11 Message-ID: <28c35563-c2ae-40b1-9488-a6fd88e754ee@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Dear Distribution lists http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/index.html Welcome to V11 of the OpenVMS Technical Journal. As you may know this technical journal is done on a completely voluntary basis and hence "our other work" can take priority. I would like to personally thank the team that makes the OpenVMS Technical Journal possible, you are truly a gift. In this version you will find many articles that will interest you. Aklila (OpenVMS Engineering) has written a great article on Host Based Minimerge and Automatic Minicopy, then we have an excellent customer story from Flugger and how they Modernized their OpenVMS Applications. Bruce Claremont has written an article on the DCL Lexical F$GETQUI. We also have an article on RMS Collector for T4 and friends written by Gorazd. We have two articles written by OpenVMS Ambassadors in the journal. The first is Hints and Tricks when Using Dynamic Volume Expansion (DVE) on OpenVMS Systems by Rob Eulenstein and the second written by John Edelemann on the topic of WebSphere MQ and OpenVMS Failover Sets. Articles are available as in PDF or HTML format. If you choose to print the entire document it is 77 pages long. We would appreciate your feedback not only on this issue but the OpenVMS Technical Journal as a whole. Your feedback is what keeps the authors and the team going Warm Regards, Editor team ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:12:49 -0500 From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" Subject: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <138449ECC94125418289A81B26BA97B80130979F@VFEGMLEG01.Enterprise.afmc.ds.af.mil> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89B2E.1A7B5597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. It has 14 hard drives and one of them is showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights on the hard drives? I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? =20 Mike Cross =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C89B2E.1A7B5597 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a Vax Alphastation 4100.  It has 14 hard = drives and one of them is showing an orange light.  I don’t have a = failure at this point but the light has been on for at least a year.  When = I do a “show dev/page” no errors get reported.  Does anyone have advice on = what the error might be?  Are the different levels of errors associated = with different lights on the hard drives?

I looked at HP and could not find any documentation = on the Vax Alphastation 4100.  Anyone else had any = luck?

 

Mike Cross

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C89B2E.1A7B5597-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:25:01 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Orange Light on SCSI drive Message-ID: <08041012250153_2020CE0A@antinode.org> From: "Cross Michael C Mr CIV USAF 53 CSS/SCO" > I have a Vax Alphastation 4100. Not really. VAX and Alpha are related, but not that closely. > It has 14 hard drives and one of them > is showing an orange light. I don't have a failure at this point but > the light has been on for at least a year. When I do a "show dev/page" > no errors get reported. Does anyone have advice on what the error might > be? Are the different levels of errors associated with different lights > on the hard drives? Is the drive in the computer's box or some external enclosure? > I looked at HP and could not find any documentation on the Vax > Alphastation 4100. Anyone else had any luck? Not likely under that name. Does this look like it? http://hp.com/go/vms http://h71000.www7.hp.com/index.html http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/ http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/ http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/archive/4100/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode.org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: 10 Apr 2008 08:33:07 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: In article <664vncF2gd4t8U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > You should have stopped at the first sentence. The second just bring > up the old adage, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools." again. It is indeed a poor workman who uses the wrong tools for the job. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:48:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <878f6024-ee6b-43f4-a186-58ec0bd5a45c@v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com> On 7 Apr, 20:39, Didier_Toulouse wrote: > Hello Pals, > > Long time no noise :-) > > I'm learning Php, and I find a lot of similarities (is that a genuine > English word ???) with DCL. > > Does anyone know if the Folk who created this language used to work > for DEC before? > > Just to ask. > > Bye for know, I'm studying variables substitution... > > DTL Rasmus Lerdorf the origional creator of PHP never worked for DEC. Lerdorf did briefly work for IBM he currently works for Yahoo! I don't think Zeev Suraski or Andi Gutmans two other PHP luminaries worked of DEC either they are probably too young. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Subject: Re: Tape Encryption Message-ID: On 9 Apr, 15:38, jhjr4381 wrote: > I just had a customer inquire about tape encryption and who (vendor) > might have either encryption software or encryption hardware. They > have a need to secure data before sending it offsite. > Can anyone recommend someone who does this? Does VMS already perform > this function? What would be the advantage(s) or disadvantage(s) of > hardware vs software encryption? (now I'm curious) > No solicitation please! This is not for me, but for a customer. > > Thanks, > > Dan You have lot of options available to you. OpenVMS will do AES encryption in software. If you have NetBackup then Netbackup will also encrypt at the client or in the Netbackup Media Server again in Software. All LTO-4 drives support Tape Encryption, the issue is how you enable this and manage the keys. Decru/Cisco and a number of other vendors do inline encryption devices that encrypt in the data stream between the server and the drive, issues are cost and long term key management. Finally IBM and STK both do proprietary drives which support encryption. The drive is probably the best place to do encryption in the long term, software encryption works OK but it uses CPU resources and if you are using tape drive based compression it defeats this resulting in longer backup runs and the use of larger numbers of tapes. Netbackup if encrypting in the media server will also compress to get round this difficulty but this adds additional CPU cycles to the backup process although only on the media server and not the server being backed up. Regards Andrew Harrison ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 09:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!die! Message-ID: <1717c591-eea3-42b7-a52e-c2f4b681e96e@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> On 10 Apr, 16:36, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > Hiya, > > > We have a client using OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity running TCP/IP > > Services v5.6 ECO2. =A0Our connection goes over a line that disconnects > > idle sessions after 30 minutes. =A0this part works well, but it seems > > that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session > > that gets disconnected. =A0Over time, there are dozens of processes left= > > lying around with no terminal attached to them. > > > Similarly, we have a client with OpenVMS v7.3-1 on Alpha with V5.3 Eco > > 4 which has users on the local LAN which get left with "ghost" > > sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal > > device has gone away. > > > Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? =A0 > > > > Don't walk off, log off!!- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I don't disagree, but I have just heard that another client is observing the same behaviour. This points to something that's not being set or else VMS has changed the way that it responds to a terminal device being disconnected and not dropping the session as it did previously. In my view... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:19:15 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Message-ID: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 10 Apr, 16:36, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >> etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>> Hiya, >>> We have a client using OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity running TCP/IP >>> Services v5.6 ECO2. Our connection goes over a line that disconnects >>> idle sessions after 30 minutes. this part works well, but it seems >>> that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session >>> that gets disconnected. Over time, there are dozens of processes left >>> lying around with no terminal attached to them. >>> Similarly, we have a client with OpenVMS v7.3-1 on Alpha with V5.3 Eco >>> 4 which has users on the local LAN which get left with "ghost" >>> sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal >>> device has gone away. >>> Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? >> >> >> Don't walk off, log off!!- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I don't disagree, but I have just heard that another client is > observing the same behaviour. This points to something that's not > being set or else VMS has changed the way that it responds to a > terminal device being disconnected and not dropping the session as it > did previously. > > In my view... ISTR that there is some sort of virtual terminal facility that will let you disconnect, reconnect and pick up where you left off. I never used it and don't recall the details. "Virtual Terminal" might prove to be a useful search string. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:26:25 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!di Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Apr 2008, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> On 10 Apr, 16:36, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: >>> etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >>>> ... >>>> sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal >>>> device has gone away. >>>> Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? >>> >>> >>> Don't walk off, log off!!- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >> I don't disagree, but I have just heard that another client is >> observing the same behaviour. This points to something that's not >> being set or else VMS has changed the way that it responds to a >> terminal device being disconnected and not dropping the session as it >> did previously. >> >> In my view... > > ISTR that there is some sort of virtual terminal facility that will let you > disconnect, reconnect and pick up where you left off. I never used it and > don't recall the details. "Virtual Terminal" might prove to be a useful > search string. Virtual terminals do this, but the previous problem remains. While DECnet and LAT sessions know when they have been disconnected, it is my understanding that telnet sessions don't and never have. Sending a break-through write to a disconnected telnet session will make it notice that is has been disconnected and then it will go away. (If virtual terminals have been enabled, it is not until the telnet session notices that the session has been disconnected that you will be given an opportunity to reconnect.) A cheap way to send a break-through write is to send a VMSmail message to that user. hth - Rob -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:29:40 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! Message-ID: <55df027f-e57e-4b67-959c-898f8a5af54c@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com> Hiya, We have a client using OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity running TCP/IP Services v5.6 ECO2. Our connection goes over a line that disconnects idle sessions after 30 minutes. this part works well, but it seems that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session that gets disconnected. Over time, there are dozens of processes left lying around with no terminal attached to them. Similarly, we have a client with OpenVMS v7.3-1 on Alpha with V5.3 Eco 4 which has users on the local LAN which get left with "ghost" sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal device has gone away. Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? I've tried setting the socket options to nokeepalive but this doesn't appear to do the trick. Thanks in advance Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:36:09 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Telnet connections - the connection drops, the process doesn't die! die!die! Message-ID: <0I6dnawQNYtmrmPanZ2dnUVZ_u_inZ2d@comcast.com> etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hiya, > > We have a client using OpenVMS v8.3 on Integrity running TCP/IP > Services v5.6 ECO2. Our connection goes over a line that disconnects > idle sessions after 30 minutes. this part works well, but it seems > that VMS doesn't terminate the process in the case of a telnet session > that gets disconnected. Over time, there are dozens of processes left > lying around with no terminal attached to them. > > Similarly, we have a client with OpenVMS v7.3-1 on Alpha with V5.3 Eco > 4 which has users on the local LAN which get left with "ghost" > sessions - the process is still there on the Alpha but the terminal > device has gone away. > > Anyone got any ideas how this can be resolved? Don't walk off, log off!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: nomail2482@aol.com Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: Someone else using VMS as a trademark: Vulnerability Management System (VMS) from i-security ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.201 ************************