INFO-VAX Mon, 12 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 264 Contents: Re: DEC-BASIC Capablities Re: Ip address blocking by country Re: Ip address blocking by country Re: OpenVMS Update Re: OT: Desktop wars Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What's the most likely backup format? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 20:48:59 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: DEC-BASIC Capablities Message-ID: <482793f5$0$90269$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <48166bae$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >> The ODBC API is a classic C API. >> >> Simple extract from sql.h: >> >> ... >> typedef short SWORD; >> ... >> typedef SWORD SQLSMALLINT; >> ... >> typedef SQLSMALLINT SQLRETURN; >> ... >> typedef void* SQLHANDLE; >> ... >> typedef SQLHANDLE SQLHENV; >> ... >> SQLRETURN SQL_API SQLAllocEnv(SQLHENV*); >> ... > > Nothing there that I couldn't do in every native language I've used > on VMS. I haven't used BASIC, but I think all the inter-language > hooks are in the compiler like I'm used to in Fortran (changing > passing techniques and such). I think so too. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/5424/5424pro_028.html#rtl_chap Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:55:31 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Ip address blocking by country Message-ID: In article <5bCUj.488$Xv3.369@bignews4.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, Island Computers" writes: > Wrong NG? > maybe but I know people here are well versed in this. > > IP blocking. > Is this done on a regular basis? > Thought someone here would be able to answer. > Comments?!?! After doing a lot of stuff by hand, I started using spamhaus.org. Check it out. If you configure TCPIP services to send a sensible message when the blocking takes place (perhaps a URL pointing to a full description of the problem, its cause and what the user should do), no real user, who is not spamming, has a real reason to complain. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:41:44 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Ip address blocking by country Message-ID: <4827770d$0$31210$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > After doing a lot of stuff by hand, I started using spamhaus.org. The problem with RBLs is that they react to two items: -known spamming IPs. This takes time to react. -ISP's provided list of dynamic IPs. In the case of china and other spam-happy countries, if the ISPs don't provide the list of dynamic IPs that shouldn't be sending mail, then the RBLs can't add those IPs to their list of dynamic IPs not meant to send mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:47:10 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OpenVMS Update Message-ID: In article , Sue writes: > On a sad note, the VMS community lost a huge corner stone last week > when Dick Hustvedt passed away. He will be remember by us all with > much affection. Our thoughts are with Audrey and their sons at this > time of loss. Here is his son's blog > http://seedwatcher.typepad.com/seedwatcher/2008/04/in-memory-of-my.html For the few who don't know, Hustvedt had a huge influence on the design of VMS, more than others who are often given the credit. Unfortunately, he was incapacitated by an accident. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:19:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: OT: Desktop wars Message-ID: <70f806e3-91c5-4b0f-b40a-90a00c908b52@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On May 11, 12:30 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > In article , > "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: > > > > > On May 10, 8:15 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article <112d9b3d-fbf6-41eb-af64-3fe09b4ab...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > >> "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: > > >> > On May 10, 4:41 pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> >> In article , > >> >> "johnhreinha...@yahoo.com" writes: > > >> >> > On May 10, 9:39 am, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> >> >> In article <482414f8$0$31195$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, > >> >> >> JF Mezei writes: > >> >> >> > Remember that Apple started with essentially nothing left, and came out > >> >> >> > with a totally new operating systems (OS-X) in roughly 2001. > > >> >> >> Since when is OS-X "a totally new operating system"? That would be > >> >> >> like me repackaging Slackware, calling it "Bill-OS V5.0" and claiming > >> >> >> it was "a totally new operating system"!! > > >> >> > Close, but not quite. It would be like you repackaging Slackware and > >> >> > then writing the equivalent of Gnome or KDE and calling it Bill-OS > >> >> > V5.0. Aqua, the Apple GUI (plus a lot of utilities) is theirs and > >> >> > they wrote it themselves (maybe some came from NEXT? I'm not sure). > > >> >> What they actually wrote isn't a GUI. Their GUI is X-windows. All > >> >> they wrote themselves was a Window Manager which is quite a bit less > >> >> than either a GUI or an OS. Next ran Display PostScript which I think > >> >> was Adobe's. > > >> > Bill, you're wrong. Aqua is the GUI. GUI stands for Graphical User > >> > Interface. That's what Aqua does. It defines the appearance of the > >> > various windows components. It defines how those component work and > >> > what they can do. Aqua is based on Apple's Cocoa framework. This > >> > framework calls Apple's Quartz graphics subsystem to draw using the > >> > graphics hardware. No where in this path does X-windows come into > >> > play. On OS X you don't even have to run a X-window server if you > >> > don't want one. If you do then there is the X11 application which is > >> > based on the X server from the XOrg Foundation. The original code > >> > from XOrg has been modified to use the Cocoa or Carbon APIs to access > >> > the graphics hardware. > > >> Well, you could be right as I am not a Mac fanatic(and never will be > >> although I do own a number of M68K Macs that I play with.) > > > I know that you are not a Mac fan. Not only is that obvious, but it's > > been well noted in the past. And the M68K Macs have nothing to do > > with OS X. > > Some people might have different opinions on that. On what? That M68K Macs don't have anything to do with OS X? They don't. They can't run it. It wasn't designed for them. There's no connection. If people have a different opinion then they're welcome to it, but they're way wrong and delusional. >Some people actually > believe ther eason Apple opted to move to Unix was because of the dismal > performance of their previous attempts at designing and writing their > own operating systems. I am one of those people. :-) Well, duh. That's been highly documented and public for years. Apple's "Copland" was a dismal failure and resulted in the return of Steve Jobs as CEO (because he held the keys to NEXT) > > Well, actually X11 is an application running on top of any operating > system. Exactly. Yet you keep trying to say that X11 is required in OS X to do any display. It's not. All of the OS X native applications available all work without a bit of X-window code. Get it? > Can a Mac display windowed application on another Mac without > having X11 installed or is like the MS GUI philosophy? (That's a serious > question! Does OS X require X11 in order to do remote display?) I don't see what that has to do with the original question of whether or not X11 was required for OS X to display. However, according to various sources, the Quartz graphics system in OS X has a latent ability to display it's contents on a remote server. But as far as I know there is currently no built-in way to display the Mac desktop on a remote machine. Apple does have some remote management tools available at extra cost for remote administration which do have the ability to show a remote OS X system's screen on a central management system. See http://www.apple.com/remotedesktop/ > > > > > And when another professor went out and grabbed all > >> the OSX (aka Darwin) sources the only thing he didn't get was the > >> window manager that had the MAC look and feel. > > > Actually grabbing the Darwin sources IS NOT grabbing OS X. Because > > Darwin is the kernel for the OS X, not the GUI. Darwin is the open > > source portion that Apple got from FreeBSD. Aqua and all the other > > layers on top of Darwin is the proprietary portion that Apple wrote > > which has the "Mac look and feel". > > So, you consider all the applications and not just the kernel to be the OS? No. How did you ever draw that conclusion? > In which case, Apple really didn't write more than a timy piece of OS X! > Remember, the original statement had to do with OS X being "a totally new > operating system". > Remember, I agreed with you on that. I was just contesting your statement "That would be like me repackaging Slackware, calling it "Bill-OS V5.0" and claiming it was "a totally new operating system"!! " In fact it was much more than just repackaging another OS distribution. > > > > Arne Vajhoj found a pretty good link that shows the makeup of OS X. > > It should help clear up your misconceptions. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Diagram_of_Mac_OS_X_architecture.svg > > When I have a chance, I will take a look. Not that I place much faith in > anything I get from Wikipedia. Heck, I could just go there and change it > to say OS X uses X11. :-) > Fine. Apple has it's own version. Go edit that one. http://developer.apple.com/macosx/architecture/index.html > > > >>What is it that they > >> say about walks like a duck and quacks like a duck? > > >> And, regardless of all that , it still isn't "a totally new operating > >> system" which was the original claim!! > > > Yeah, well that was JF. What do you expect? But it also wasn't as > > easy of a job as you are trying to claim. > > If all they really wrote themselves was the GUI, it may not have been easy > enough for your average pre-pubescent Linux geek to do, but they really > can't claim to have created anything truly new as more than 90% of OS X > was acquired from someone else already written. > > And of course there is the old question of why so many MAC fanatics spend > time knocking Unix when that is all OS X really is under the hood!! > And vice-versa. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:04:03 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: <48277b5e$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> johnwallace4@gmail.com wrote: > Being outside of formal support doesn't worry the customers who are > still using WIndows2000 today. Obviously not since 2000 prof ended mainstream support in June 2005. But the usage of 2000 on client PC's based on internet statistics is now below 4%. > Much like VMS; if it > works, why rush to upgrade it, unless there is a pressing business > need (sometimes there is, sometimes there isn't). Same with VMS. A lot of sites prefer to run supported software and supported hardware. > Currently the > market (outside the MS-centric ecosystem) doesn't see the benefits in > upgrading to Vista/nuOffice, and some are waiting for the rush release > of Windows 7... Most of them are planning not "if" but "when" to go to Vista. It is a pretty big task. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 18:30:42 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: What's the most likely backup format? Message-ID: <4827738b$0$90274$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> JF Mezei wrote: > forest demon wrote: >> I have a DLT III tape that was written to on a VMS system. That's all >> I know. Is it possible to scan this tape looking for data? > > Most likely is that it is an ANSI tape with a single file in it. That > file would be a BACKUP saveset, a VMS proprietary format. > > There are a couple of open sources to read backup formats. > > Last one I spotted was at http://www.hoffmanlabs.com (from there, jump > to the new site) and there is one for OS-X (should compile on unix). > > If not, you then have to get someone to read the tape for you and unpack > it from BACKUP and repack it with ZIP or TAR. I would say that chances are good that will be a lot faster. Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.264 ************************