INFO-VAX Mon, 12 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 265 Contents: ANNOUNCE: SSH PEER (beta) Re: DECServer 700 replacement. FREE GODADDY COUPON CODES FREE GODADDY COUPON CODES Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Re: max disk size in ovms 6.2 Re: OT: Desktop wars Re: OT: Desktop wars SAS AND BIOINFORMATICS TRAINING PROGRAM AT DRC Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS UK based OpenVMS roles Re: UK based OpenVMS roles Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 May 2008 16:28:24 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: ANNOUNCE: SSH PEER (beta) Message-ID: <48287028$0$11642$607ed4bc@cv.net> I've been sitting on this for some time and thought I'd finally get around to sharing it with the VMS community. SSH PEER adds remote peer information to the access port name field of the FTAn: device created when using HP TCPIP Services for OpenVMS SSH (this is not available out of the box). Both Multinet's and TCPware's SSH have had this feature from the get-go. Extending the OpenVMS pseudo-terminal func- tionality is the same as in the Process Software offerings because Process has licensed the extension from me; therefore, it's had a great deal of in- the-field testing. SSH PEER formats the reported peer information in the same fashion as both of Process Software's offerings. This was intentional. Any DCL procedure written to access the terminal's ACCPORNAM field will be able to parse all three (TCPIP Services, Multinet and TCPware) with the same procedure. If you wish to try SSH PEER, please visit: http://www.tmesis.com/SSH_PEER/ Direct any comments and or question to the usual address. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:51:52 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: DECServer 700 replacement. Message-ID: http://www.lantronix.com/data-center-management/console-servers/securelinx-slc.html FYI We sell lantronix David -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Paul" wrote in message news:5367fe07-0c47-4b85-9b7d-a35e67602f30@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > All, > > I am looking for a modern day equivalent product to the Decserver 700 > (16 or 32 port) that is still being produced. > Can anyone suggest anything? > > Many thanks, > > P.S. 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For the latest GoDaddy Coupon Codes visit: http://www.freshdrop.net/coupons_godaddy.php Warm Regards, Your Friends at FreshDrop ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Subject: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Message-ID: <92a52bb2-d35a-418c-b290-0eb5e4354389@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> We have to support a very old system ( VMS 5.4-2 ), and have to change old source code which uses DECWindows. I'm looking for a document named <>. I'm also like to know I if VMS 5.4 has Motif installed or not. I checked the old system, there is a DECW$EXAMPLES:DECBURGER.COM file. Is this part of Motif? I'll appreciate any help. Laurence Chang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:54:35 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Message-ID: <08051210543514_2020CE0A@antinode.info> From: Larry > We have to support a very old system ( VMS 5.4-2 ), and have to > change old source code which uses DECWindows. I'm looking for a > document named <>. Where have you looked so far? I seem to have a CD-ROM (March 1993) with the online (Bookreader) documentation for Motif V1.0 and V1.1. I don't know if I could easily segregate the Motif parts, but I could probably make an image of the CD. You might need to get the bits onto a VMS system to read the stuff. > I'm also like to know I if VMS 5.4 has Motif installed or not. VMS DECwindows Motif was a separate (and separately licensed) layered product, not part of VMS. My CD-ROM archives (November 1990) suggest that it was not even available when VMS V5.4 was released, but I did find a (March 1993) kit for VMS DECwindows Motif®, Version 1.1, and in its System Support Addendum, it says: SOFTWARE REQUIREMENTS VMS Operating System V5.4-3 through V5.5-1 so you're close. Perhaps Motif V1.0 would be supported on VMS V5.4-2? Of course, as the SPD says: VMS DECwindows Motif Version 1.1 complies with the License Manage- ment Facility (LMF) and requires a license Product Authorization Key (PAK). [...] so you'd appear to need a DW-MOTIF PAK, too, which might be tough to obtain legally these days. SHOW LICENSE or LICENSE LIST (or something similar) would probably tell you if you have the PAK installed. If you can find SYS$SYSTEM:DECW$MWM.EXE (the Motif Window Manager image), that would suggest that Motif is installed. > I > checked the old system, there is a DECW$EXAMPLES:DECBURGER.COM file. > Is this part of Motif? The V1.1 installation guide does mention the DECBURGER*.* files, so I'd suspect that it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:54:33 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers" Subject: Re: max disk size in ovms 6.2 Message-ID: Licenses for one. Try buying a license from HP for an Alpha... We have a hard enough time even with our HP relationship -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" wrote in message news:00A794AA.2907BF0C@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU... > In article , David Turner > writes: >>The reason I want to sell him the raid array is rational >>It is cheaper than ANY HP option and it gets him a lot of space for a >>small amount of money. >>Yeah I am aware of the wonders of Vol Shadowing, but it requires the >>knowledge and the HP supported products which as we know, are now no >>longer sold and are getting very old. > > Knowledge, sure. But what products are required for volume shadowing that > are no longer sold and are getting very old? > >>I sell what people ask for - when they ask me for hardware advice, as >>someone who has configured subsystems etc, I would always encourage >>someone to go with the cheapest and easiest option that works. >>I noted a little hostility from some of the comments. >>As a vendor you have to cater to a lot of different requirements. > > Indeed. > > -- Alan > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 01:43:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "zzbunker@netscape.net" Subject: Re: OT: Desktop wars Message-ID: On May 9, 5:06=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > FredK wrote: > > The "desktop" wars ended years ago. =A0Windows won. =A0The UNIX workstat= ion > > market collapsed. =A0As a consolation prize, Linux PC's are available fo= r > > those who crave a UNIX desktop. > > I suspect Mark Shuttleworth, head cheese for Ubuntu would disagree with > you. =A0Ubuntu is under very active development and for a relatively new > solution, has a very impressive list of available software, incluidng > Adobe PDF viewer. VMS has had X windows for 20 or so years and all it > has is the old XPDF utility (that doesn't even come with VMS). VMS *had* > a great word processor (DECwrite) at the time, but Digital didn't even > try to price/sell it to normal offices. > > Just because the owners of VMS decided to not even maintain a presence > in the workstation market (and under Palmer, go much further by agreeing > =A0to cannabalise its own products to please Bill Gates) does not mean > that Dec couldn't have had a decent presence in the desktop. > > Had Dec made its workstations with decwrite etc affordable right off the > bat, offices would have gone to it because it offered orders of > magnitudes superior software than what was available on DOS/Windows at > the time. > > You might also wish to read: > > >http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_19/b4083036428429.htm... > > "The Mac in the Gray Flannel Suit". > More office workers infatuated with iPods and iPhones are demanding > Macs. Is business ready? Is Apple? > > Remember that Apple started with essentially nothing left, and came out > with a totally new operating systems (OS-X) in roughly 2001. They now > have over 8% of the PC market. > > Apple doesn't even (yet) try to get into enterprise. Yet, they now have > over 2% of the market without even trying. I bet that is far more than > what VMS has, and VMS' last remainng stance is the enterprise market. > > Now, Imagine if Sue were hired by Apple to head an "enterprise" division > ? She'd have no problems getting disasffected HP customers to move from > VMS to OS-X. > > Remember when VMS was big in education ? Yes, but that's also where VMS and education made a really bad mistake. They were designing stuff based on what the government and military needed, not what computers and education needed. > > ## > THE REAL CORPORATE STRATEGY? > > Demographic trends may be on Apple's side. All those college kids > wielding iPods have created a deep pool of potential Mac users. > According to a survey of 1,200 undergrads by researcher Student Monitor > this year, 43% of college students who intend to buy a laptop plan to > buy a Mac, up from 8% in 2003. "Many of today's technology > decision-makers will ultimately be replaced by Mac users," says Eric > Weil, managing partner of Student Monitor. > ## > > Oh, SAP runs on OS-X... does it run on VMS ? Not bad for a just-born > operating system. > > Where there is a will, there is a way. It is pretty clear that even VMS > engineers have no will to expand VMS beyond its limited remaining niche. > If they didn't they would try to openly try to support HP's decisions to > limit VMS. > > > The X11 "desktop" as far as we are concerned is just a required giblet. > > read: Necessary legacy evil. Right ? > > What you don't realise is that a decent GUI isn't just for the desktop. > Consider kiosks, consider industrial automation, building automation etc > etc. Would you cosnider a restaurant management system (ordering, > billing, kitchen supplies etc) to be a "desktop" application ? What > about hotel management ? > > > Local VMS "bus" graphics will continue to exist on most systems. =A0But = there > > is no desire/interest to try to compete with Windows/Linux in desktop > > software. > > So now you admit that Linux is a serious presence in the desktop. > > > But - if you come in and tell us that you will buy 1,000 RX2620's, but i= t > > depends on supporting aUSBcamera... =A0I'm sure we can accomodate you > > somehow. > > Chasnces are that 99% of the people seeking such volumes/applications > don't even look at VMS because it isn't listed as havingUSBcamera > support. And since only existing customers know how to reach Sue to > forward suggestions and make sure they get somewhere, it means that you > are missing out on far more customers than those who do manage to reach > VMS management with such requests. > > > It's all about what paying customers want. > > In real business with a goal to grow a product, it would be all about > providing features that will bring in new customers and grow the market > niche. > > > We are working on > > audible alarm support (basic sound card support - not MMOV) because a > > customer came in and explained the business case, and we agreed. =A0Not > > because JF thinks it's cool. > > In a real business when a "JF" comes along with a suggestion, if that > suggestion males sense and the producy management sees potential for > more sales, they will go ahead and implement it. They have vision, they > have budget, and they have a mandate to grow the product's customer base. > > The way HP employees present themselves here (except for Sue), it seems > clear that that VMS has no vision, has no budget for "vision" features, > and only care aboutr retaining existing customer base. =A0In fact, one > could argue that it now takes an important customer to theathen to leave > VMS/HP before HP would consider assigning human resources to add the > desired feature to VMS. > > So, instead of saying that VMS has no hope on the desktop, you should > just plainly admit that a decision was made to widthdraw VMS from the > desktop and there is no desire nor any money in the budgets to bring it > back to life. > > And you know what ? As time progresses =A0the "there is no money in the > budgets to bring it back to life" is applying to not just the "desktop" > but to all of VMS. ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2008 08:43:28 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Desktop wars Message-ID: In article <68ms4bF2ts7euU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > Well, you could be right as I am not a Mac fanatic(and never will be > although I do own a number of M68K Macs that I play with.) but I know > the professor I have to support that is a Mac fanatic has no problem > displaying X applications on his Mac which tells me there is X11 under > there somewhere. I have no problems displaying X11 on my Windoze OC, my Mac OS 10.2, or my classic Macs. All I had to do is start an X11 server, which just means someone wrote a working X11 server that knows how to use the graphics libraries provided by the platform. IMHO cygwin now has the best X11 server for Windoze. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if Apple included a working X11 server in thier application suite, even to the point of making it start up transparently. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 04:30:26 -0700 (PDT) From: shruthireddy76@gmail.com Subject: SAS AND BIOINFORMATICS TRAINING PROGRAM AT DRC Message-ID: <165b331f-6040-405e-922a-e8a625d602fb@q1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> DNA Research Centre and Axis group announces new batches for different Modules in Bioinformatics, Biotechnology, Molecular Biology, and Recombinant DNA Technology. DRC proudly announces its involvement in DNA Forensics and Biotechnology Research. We have updated all the projects available with us and providing more challenging, live and industrial projects with different module of training programmes. 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Your needs are very specific and > narrow so you can live with it. > It's been my experience that everybody's needs are different. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:29:02 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Message-ID: Bob Koehler schrieb: > In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > >>On Fri, 09 May 2008 11:18:15 -0700, Bob Koehler >> >>Right, but the point is the rest of the world does. It is an integral part >>of business today, the ability to do it. Your needs are very specific and >>narrow so you can live with it. >> > > > It's been my experience that everybody's needs are different. > maybe, but your needs are not very representative it seems. When bosses and/or customers keep sending doc and pdf documents, it is not the wisest move to just ignore them, saying "I have no use for them". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:36:37 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: UK based OpenVMS roles Message-ID: <91e30132-f85f-4e8f-98a2-577e10c0edab@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Folks, I just received this message in my INBOX - thought someone out there might appreciate a heads up. I would be happy to claim a referral fee :) Regards, Mark %<-----------------%<-----------------%<----------------- %<-----------------%<-----------------%<----------------- Platform Specialist - OpenVMS! These are permanent positions based in Salisbury! Platform Specialist - OpenVMS Salisbury - =A340,000-=A355,000 Prestigious opportunities with a Global Communications Giant for experienced Consultants with OpenVMS skills. 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OK, so I think these are the wrong Salisbury. 8-; ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2008 08:38:02 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: In article <6410f959-619b-4c2b-b3ce-e6448799f0a5@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, DaveG writes: > > My daughter works for a big accounting firm. Used to be one of the > big 8, but after fall of Arthur Anderson, its <8 now. They're > starting to migratre all their users to Vista. Exceptions prove the rule, right? I think I'll migrate from WXP directly to VMS 8.3. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:30:07 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: On May 12, 8:38=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <6410f959-619b-4c2b-b3ce-e6448799f...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.= com>, DaveG writes: > > > > > My daughter works for a big accounting firm. =A0Used to be one of the > > big 8, but after fall of Arthur Anderson, its <8 now. =A0They're > > starting to migratre all their users to Vista. > > =A0 =A0Exceptions prove the rule, right? > > =A0 =A0I think I'll migrate from WXP directly to VMS 8.3. Not sure what you mean by exceptions. We're talkin' thousands of systems here. And if they're doin' the upgrade to Vista, I suspect that the other big accounting firms are at least thinking about it as well. Most if not all of the big accounting firms are international, so these updates extend across both ponds. And btw, when I asked my daughter about what she thinks about upgrading to Vista, her answer was "I don't care, as long as I can get my work done". My guess would be that's a pretty common response from a non bit head. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:41:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "zzbunker@netscape.net" Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: <27f96a8f-a316-472e-a889-6f742ceb0d0a@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On May 12, 11:30=A0am, DaveG wrote: > On May 12, 8:38=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob > > Koehler) wrote: > > In article <6410f959-619b-4c2b-b3ce-e6448799f...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroup= s.com>, DaveG writes: > > > > My daughter works for a big accounting firm. =A0Used to be one of the > > > big 8, but after fall of Arthur Anderson, its <8 now. =A0They're > > > starting to migratre all their users to Vista. > > > =A0 =A0Exceptions prove the rule, right? > > > =A0 =A0I think I'll migrate from WXP directly to VMS 8.3. > > Not sure what you mean by exceptions. =A0We're talkin' thousands of > systems here. =A0And if they're doin' the upgrade to Vista, I suspect > that the other big accounting firms are at least thinking about it as > well. =A0Most if not all of the big accounting firms are international, > so these updates extend across both ponds. =A0And btw, when I asked my > daughter about what she thinks about upgrading to Vista, her answer > was "I don't care, as long as I can get my work done". =A0My guess would > be that's a pretty common response from a non bit head. But, that's really the correct attitude with computers, though. Since what bitheads don't understand about computers is that it's all terrabytes, lasers, and robots. Bits are math, not computers. ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2008 13:20:04 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: In article , DaveG writes: > > Not sure what you mean by exceptions. We're talkin' thousands of > systems here. And if they're doin' the upgrade to Vista, I suspect > that the other big accounting firms are at least thinking about it as > well. Most if not all of the big accounting firms are international, > so these updates extend across both ponds. And btw, when I asked my > daughter about what she thinks about upgrading to Vista, her answer > was "I don't care, as long as I can get my work done". My guess would > be that's a pretty common response from a non bit head. Thousands is a pretty small number of PCs. Directions to go to Vista or not are being made by CIO and such, not by the bitheads. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.265 ************************