INFO-VAX Tue, 13 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 266 Contents: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Business owners RE: Example: Flex/HTML client to VMS 3GL server Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Re: OT: Desktop wars OT: HP wants to buy EDS Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Re: What systems can use USB? Re: What systems can use USB? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:19:17 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <666e7611-0d81-4132-baaa-21fbfd55c781@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> We (Ken, Ian & Marty) here at OpenVMS.org had decided to do a trial run for a "2007 Readers' Choice Awards". The idea has been discussed over the years but for one reason or another it never fully developed. We'll, we're going to give the idea a test run for the Bootcamp this year. If we get good feedback and participation from the community we'll do the awards annually. Submitting Candidates: Monday, May12th to Friday, May 16th at midnight. Voting: Saturday, May 17th to Wednesday, May 21st at midnight. Winners will be announced: Thursday, May 22nd at the Bootcamp Awards dinner. http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/05/12/4389890 (yes I know its a short timescale but better that than not at all :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 20:54:06 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: 2007 OpenVMS.org Readers' Choice Awards Message-ID: <4828e756$0$7263$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> IanMiller wrote: > We (Ken, Ian & Marty) here at OpenVMS.org had decided to do a trial > run for a "2007 Readers' Choice Awards". > http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=08/05/12/4389890 Is there a way to nominate a specific HP employee ? The "categories" don't seem to provide for HP employees. (for instance, could David Turner be entered ? "reseller" isn't in any of the 5 categories. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Duke Subject: Business owners Message-ID: <7ae82372-b569-49ce-aea3-eece8c3d9592@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Sweet 5-piece credit card processing system is GUARANTEED to increase your profits! http://www.moreinfo247.com/9374280/MS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:11:58 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: Example: Flex/HTML client to VMS 3GL server Message-ID: <014901c8b496$5879f1e0$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> >... > If you'd like to see an example of a browser-based > Flex/HTML/Javascript GUI > client talking to a VMS 3GL server, please click on: - > > http://manson.vistech.net/t3$examples/demo_client_flex.html > > and have a gander. > > Username: TIER3_DEMO > Password: QUEUE >... Very nice Richard. Since my last post about working with Flex I only spent about 10 minutes working on it, real work keeps getting in the way. One thing you might want to mention about using Flex is that the mxml code can be edited and compiled on VMS since the compiler is written in Java. Peter Weaver www.WeaverConsulting.ca www.OpenVMSvirtualization.com www.VAXvirtualization.com www.AlphaVirtualization.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Larry Subject: Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Message-ID: <676f97b9-55fa-48cf-a49c-45f417bf35e2@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Thank you very much Steven. I really appreciate your reply. I checked my system. It's version 5.4-2. I went to Sys$System directory and searched DECW$MWM.exe. There is no such filet. Show License doen't show DW-MOTIF PAK info. I don't think Motif is installed on my system. The document name I'm looking for is : VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Volume 1A. We have a document which references this document. Best regards Laurence Chang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 17:03:37 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0073B04285257447_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Larry wrote on 05/12/2008 04:13:04 PM: > Thank you very much Steven. I really appreciate your reply. > > I checked my system. It's version 5.4-2. I went to Sys$System > directory and searched DECW$MWM.exe. There is no such filet. Show > License doen't show DW-MOTIF PAK info. I don't think Motif is > installed on my system. > > The document name I'm looking for is : VMS DECwindows Guide to > Applications Programming Volume 1A. We have a document which > references this document. > The only listing I can come up with for this period is: AA-PGZ6A-TE VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF (R) APPLICATIONS GUIDE [V1.0] [V5.4] which I think is not the document you want. Do you know the AA-XXXXr-TE or AA-XXXXr-TK part number or the guide? > Best regards > > Laurence Chang --=_alternative 0073B04285257447_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII"



Larry <changquansheng@gmail.com> wrote on 05/12/2008 04:13:04 PM:

> Thank you very much Steven. I really appreciate your reply.
>
> I checked my system. It's version 5.4-2. I went to Sys$System
> directory and searched DECW$MWM.exe. There is no such filet.  Show
> License doen't show  DW-MOTIF PAK info. I don't think Motif is
> installed on my system.
>
> The document name I'm looking for is : VMS DECwindows Guide to
> Applications Programming Volume 1A.  We have a document which
> references this document.
>

The only listing I can come up with for this period is:

AA-PGZ6A-TE VMS DECWINDOWS MOTIF (R) APPLICATIONS GUIDE [V1.0] [V5.4]

which I think is not the document you want.  Do you know the AA-XXXXr-TE
or AA-XXXXr-TK part number or the guide?

> Best regards
>
> Laurence Chang
 --=_alternative 0073B04285257447_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:04:29 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Help: VMS DECwindows Guide to Applications Programming Message-ID: <4828ea0a$0$31177$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Larry wrote: > Thank you very much Steven. I really appreciate your reply. > > I checked my system. It's version 5.4-2. I went to Sys$System > directory and searched DECW$MWM.exe. There is no such filet. Show > License doen't show DW-MOTIF PAK info. I don't think Motif is > installed on my system. Perhaps FredK can chime in here. But I recall some complaints in early 1990s about needing to buy Motif licences when decwindows was "free" before. Did VMS go directly from VWS to DECWINDOWS-MOTIF, or was there an intermediate step that had decwindows without Motif ? BTW, if you want to Motif routines and structures, I have a web based version: http://www.vaxination.ca/vms and then look at the bottom right for the framed version of it. From Xwindows calls, I use http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/manindex3.html VMS doesn't have all of them, of course, but when you know about a function, you can find its definition there. I do have some DECW manuals in bookreader format, for instance: DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Guide to Non-C Bindings January 1994 This guide supplies non-C bindings for programmers developing DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS applications in languages other than C. Pascal and Fortran are supported. Programmers can choose from among OSF/Motif and ancillary widgets supplied by Digital. Revision/Update Information: This is a revised manual. Operating System: OpenVMS AXP Version 1.5 VMS Version 5.5-2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:44:50 -0700 (PDT) From: nafc@snet.net Subject: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Message-ID: I'm in a bit of a bind here. Our auditors want us to scan all our severs for sensitive data. In this case that would be files containing Social Security No.s or Credit Card No.s. I've been able to find scripts to do this for our *nix servers but haven't been able to find anything for our one remaining VMS server (VAXstation 4000-90 running VMS V6.2). I have my doubts that I'll find anything so I'm sure I'll have to write my own command procedure. It would help if I could get VMS ports for grep & awk so I can use Extended Regular Expressions when searching for SSNs & CCNs. I have found them on the HP freeware site: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ But the installations fail. Does anyone known where else I could go to get them? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2008 16:47:04 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Message-ID: In article , nafc@snet.net writes: > I'm in a bit of a bind here. Our auditors want us to scan all our > severs for sensitive data. In this case that would be files > containing Social Security No.s or Credit Card No.s. I've been able > to find scripts to do this for our *nix servers but haven't been able > to find anything for our one remaining VMS server (VAXstation 4000-90 > running VMS V6.2). > > I have my doubts that I'll find anything so I'm sure I'll have to > write my own command procedure. It would help if I could get VMS > ports for grep & awk so I can use Extended Regular Expressions when > searching for SSNs & CCNs. I have found them on the HP freeware site: > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ > > But the installations fail. Does anyone known where else I could go > to get them? Same place you get any gnu software, just look for the VMS ports. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:09:40 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Message-ID: <08051216094053_2020CE0A@antinode.info> From: nafc@snet.net > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ > > But the installations fail. [...] Ah. I believe that I've seen that symptom several times over the past twenty years. Determining the cause is sometimes easier if one can see what you did, and what happened when you did it. (Believe it or don't.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:06:19 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Need something to search for SSNs & CCNs Message-ID: nafc@snet.net wrote: > I'm in a bit of a bind here. Our auditors want us to scan all our > severs for sensitive data. In this case that would be files > containing Social Security No.s or Credit Card No.s. I've been able > to find scripts to do this for our *nix servers but haven't been able > to find anything for our one remaining VMS server (VAXstation 4000-90 > running VMS V6.2). > > I have my doubts that I'll find anything so I'm sure I'll have to > write my own command procedure. It would help if I could get VMS > ports for grep & awk so I can use Extended Regular Expressions when > searching for SSNs & CCNs. I have found them on the HP freeware site: > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ > > But the installations fail. Does anyone known where else I could go > to get them? > Do you have a C compiler? I've got source for VMS versions of both grep and gawk. ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 2008 22:28:49 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: Desktop wars Message-ID: <68rul1F2tms6nU1@mid.individual.net> In article <0001HW.C44D176A00928FD0F0284530@news.verizon.net>, Jonathan Cronin writes: > On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:30:32 -0400, Bill Gunshannon wrote > (in message <68ol98F2u7kf2U1@mid.individual.net>): >> >> Well, actually X11 is an application running on top of any operating >> system. Can a Mac display windowed application on another Mac without >> having X11 installed or is like the MS GUI philosophy? (That's a serious >> question! Does OS X require X11 in order to do remote display?) >> > > If you mean can a Mac serve it's native GUI to an application on another Mac > the answer is no. Like MS, it's the whole desktop or nothing for native > remote access. I'm not sure of the point of the question. > > A difference between MS and Apple is that, like x11, the apple GUI is mostly > outside the kernel. I was just curious if the MAC supported remote display like X11 or local only lime Windows (although that is apparently not the case anymore when you look at Terminal Services.) bill >> operating system". >> > > I think you win that one, though I missed the start of this dis-information > fest. Was Linux a totally new operating system? (I'm asking both sides of > this debate.) In reality, yes. Which doesn't mean it was worth the effort. > > (Of course, we could make a (weak) argument that VMS was not a totally new > operating system...lot of RSX floating around.) I always thought that VMS was considered a logical development from RSX because the PDP-11 was percieved to be at the end of it's development life and was replaced by the VAX. Simply porting RSX to the VAX would have been rather silly. > >> >> If all they really wrote themselves was the GUI, it may not have been easy >> enough for your average pre-pubescent Linux geek to do, but they really >> can't claim to have created anything truly new as more than 90% of OS X >> was acquired from someone else already written. > > If you had used the beta of OS X, you might of thought it was adapted by that > pre-pubescent Linux geek... In which case, I am glad I did miss it. :-) > >> >> And of course there is the old question of why so many MAC fanatics spend >> time knocking Unix when that is all OS X really is under the hood!! >> > > Well, since they are Mac fanatics they confuse the GUI with the OS and > they're really knocking X11, which deserves it :). Actually I seemed to have > missed the roaming mobs baying for Unix blood, though I hear the cries to > string up Microsoft a lot. People here (in c.o.v) frequently attack Unix as well as MS. As for X11, so many people attack it but I have yet to see anything that can match what it does. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 01:07:25 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Message-ID: <482922ab$0$12281$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> HP stock dropped by almost 5% on the news that HP wants to buy the consulting firm EDS. The depressed EDS stock got boosted by 27%. This would boost HP's service division, but wouldn't steal customers from IBM. 12 billion is the rumoured price tag. EDS web site has a single mention of VMS. It is in some proprietary Word document that lists operatings systems including VMS, DOS, Novell, Sun OS, SCO Unix, Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, OS2 and a few other legacy stuff. The document is dated 2002 when looking inside the binary MS Word blob. (emails point to earthlink accounts as well as "Rick Hemsing" who is the sender. Would you trust a consulting firm that publishes Microsoft WORD documents on its web site without having first removed internal references to private emails ? Anyways, we all know this will have little to no impact on VMS, except make VMS an even smaller grain of sand on the HP beach. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: OT: HP wants to buy EDS Message-ID: <84691e5a-a836-4c03-a5f2-52be721091c9@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> On May 13, 1:07 am, JF Mezei wrote: > HP stock dropped by almost 5% on the news that HP wants to buy the > consulting firm EDS. The depressed EDS stock got boosted by 27%. > > This would boost HP's service division, but wouldn't steal customers > from IBM. > > 12 billion is the rumoured price tag. > > EDS web site has a single mention of VMS. It is in some proprietary Word > document that lists operatings systems including VMS, DOS, Novell, Sun > OS, SCO Unix, Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, OS2 and a few other legacy > stuff. The document is dated 2002 when looking inside the binary MS Word > blob. (emails point to earthlink accounts as well as "Rick Hemsing" > who is the sender. > > Would you trust a consulting firm that publishes Microsoft WORD > documents on its web site without having first removed > internal references to private emails ? > > Anyways, we all know this will have little to no impact on VMS, except > make VMS an even smaller grain of sand on the HP beach. When I worked with EDS, we were heavy into VMS support. This was for GTE Wireless. The account started around '92, I joined in '97, then after the Bell Atlantic takeover (renamed it Verizon), the VMS systems we had in place in the newly christened HP data center (originally Digital's Atlanta office) were retired (around '02). When my systems were retired (end of June 2002), I was gone. From what I've seen, Bell Atlantic was still using VMS heavily a few years back. I'm not sure how EDS' VMS support is maintained. I remember they were trying to retrain us for UNIX/Linux at the time... And no, EDS doesn't exactly have the brightest - heck, I worked there, so game - set - match - point proven. I remember Powerpoint presentations given on white walls with yellow text, people complaining about faxes coming in upside down (I used to joke "well, then turn them over!"), etc. It was a hoot working with such a bunch of losers... I still have a friend there - the account in Atlanta went from having two floors of one building to moving to another with a partial floor, now occupying even a smaller area - and still shrinking. I think my friend may be asked to move to the basement - won't be long now before they take his stapler, I think. ;) ------------------------------ Date: 12 May 08 13:11:09 EDT From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) Subject: Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Message-ID: In article , Michael Kraemer writes: > Bob Koehler schrieb: >> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >> >>>On Fri, 09 May 2008 11:18:15 -0700, Bob Koehler >>> >>>Right, but the point is the rest of the world does. It is an integral part >>>of business today, the ability to do it. Your needs are very specific and >>>narrow so you can live with it. >>> >> >> >> It's been my experience that everybody's needs are different. >> > > maybe, but your needs are not very representative it seems. > When bosses and/or customers keep sending doc and pdf > documents, it is not the wisest move to just ignore them, > saying "I have no use for them". There hasn't been a single PDF I have encountered which the latest version of Xpdf for VMS doesn't handle properly. My VMS Mail UA (provided with PMDF) automatically spawns Xpdf to view PDF attachments. Xpdf does a very good job producing Postscript when I need to print a PDF. One thing I wish Xpdf did do was to produce duplex Postscript, but that is not a major issue because it is a simple one line edit to the Postscript file to make it print duplex. As far as doc attachments, I don't recall ever receiving one that had any value. If one ever did, I'd yell over the wall to my co-worker for help who keeps a PC in addition to his VMS workstation. As far as images sent as attachments, Xv or Mosaic can display just about any image. PMDF Mail will spawn the right viewer if requested. George Cook WVNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:17:20 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Scrolling wheel support on VMS Message-ID: On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:11:09 -0700, George Cook wrote: > As far as images sent as attachments, Xv or Mosaic can display just > about any image. PMDF Mail will spawn the right viewer if requested. What do you use to create pdf documents? From a spread sheets, from Autocad or types of documents often presented in pdf? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: <28386a99-9dca-41e2-b2c1-0e1526e2697e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 12, 1:20=A0pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article , DaveG writes: > > > > > Not sure what you mean by exceptions. =A0We're talkin' thousands of > > systems here. =A0And if they're doin' the upgrade to Vista, I suspect > > that the other big accounting firms are at least thinking about it as > > well. =A0Most if not all of the big accounting firms are international, > > so these updates extend across both ponds. =A0And btw, when I asked my > > daughter about what she thinks about upgrading to Vista, her answer > > was "I don't care, as long as I can get my work done". =A0My guess would= > > be that's a pretty common response from a non bit head. > > =A0 Thousands is a pretty small number of PCs. =A0Directions to go to Vist= a > =A0 or not are being made by CIO and such, not by the bitheads. That's thousands in one company. Multiply that by the thousands of companies and schools and libraries and home users (and plenty I forgot) and pretty soon..... And yes I would agree that the decision is being made by CIOs and such and then inertia takes hold. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 21:30:56 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: What systems can use USB? Message-ID: <4828ef48$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <6410f959-619b-4c2b-b3ce-e6448799f0a5@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, DaveG writes: >> My daughter works for a big accounting firm. Used to be one of the >> big 8, but after fall of Arthur Anderson, its <8 now. They're >> starting to migratre all their users to Vista. > > Exceptions prove the rule, right? > > I think I'll migrate from WXP directly to VMS 8.3. But you will also need a hardware upgrade then ! :-) Arne ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.266 ************************