INFO-VAX Tue, 17 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 337 Contents: Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: Determining display device for a process HP produces fault tolerant IA64 blades Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: PCL and PDF support in DCPS. PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Possible SMTP Missing postmaster bounce messages Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:53:17 +0100 From: Anton Shterenlikht Subject: Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Message-ID: <20080617085317.GA77391@mech-aslap33.men.bris.ac.uk> On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 02:28:01PM -0500, George Cornelius wrote: > In article <8397eddf-942c-4f9b-9356-972e254cd17b@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> > , ewilts writes: > > Tybalt> write sys$output f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") > > 30-MAY-1999 07:28:07.05 > > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") > 18-JUL-1998 23:22:54.77 I find it very illuminating that neither cluster was formed during normal working hours (mine wasn't either). -- Anton Shterenlikht Room 2.6, Queen's Building Mech Eng Dept Bristol University University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Message-ID: <2e496f4f-e7ab-46a8-9ce6-040f3ad4a9a4@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jun 17, 3:53 am, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 02:28:01PM -0500, George Cornelius wrote: > > In article <8397eddf-942c-4f9b-9356-972e254cd...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> > > , ewilts writes: > > > Tybalt> write sys$output f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") > > > 30-MAY-1999 07:28:07.05 > > > $ write sys$output f$getsyi("cluster_ftime") > > 18-JUL-1998 23:22:54.77 > > I find it very illuminating that neither cluster was formed during > normal working hours (mine wasn't either). > > -- > Anton Shterenlikht > Room 2.6, Queen's Building > Mech Eng Dept > Bristol University > University Walk, Bristol BS8 1TR, UK > Tel: +44 (0)117 928 8233 > Fax: +44 (0)117 929 4423 We moved in 2005. Then had a overlong (longer than UPS life) power fail last year. So our cluster uptime isn't all that impressive any more. I believe our best was in the 4 year range back in the '92-99 timeframe; only one system was on a UPS though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:32:39 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Availability Digest reviews OpenVMS Clusters Message-ID: <64c9c689-70e6-4deb-a7a8-b19448668f87@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> It's application availability that counts rather than cluster uptime but I think the current record holder is WVNET cluster ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:32:12 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: In article <6.1.2.0.2.20080616075620.0252d7c8@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly writes: >At 07:42 AM 6/16/2008, AEF wrote: >>On Jun 15, 11:40 pm, Dan O'Reilly wrote: >> > At 06:54 PM 6/15/2008, AEF wrote: >> > >>I never made any comments ever in c.o.v. saying that global warming >>was definitely a problem (AFAICR). > >...and I never said you did. But enough people have that I feel it's >necessary to present the opposing view that never seems to be heard around >here. > Never seems to be heard around here ???? Whether or not man made global warming exists seems to be one of the most popular off-topic subjects posted on this group ( along with politics and religion ). The views of those who don't believe in man made global warming have been well represented in such discussions. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:10:36 -0700 (PDT) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: <8366464d-7fd5-4df3-ae92-5b06905cb4e1@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jun 13, 2:31 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > ultra...@gmail.com wrote: > > few days worth of oil? a spokesman from exxon just did > > an interview on fox > > Fox is a republican entertainment network. Its onwer has publically > admitted to meddling in editorial content and instructing its various > media to not discuss global warming in a positive way. > > > and said 68 BILLION barrels of oil are > > sitting in the gulf, alaska and the west ... that is hardly a > > few days worth > > From: > > https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/print/us.... > > Oil - production: > 8.322 million bbl/day (2005 est.) > Oil - consumption: > 20.8 million bbl/day (2005 est.) > > Ok, so I'll concede... more than 3 days. It is 3.26 days. > > > rigs fail now, they do not dump oil and damage anything ... > > you are still living in the past ... time to get to speed with > > the technology ... > > OK, lets discuss how ships fail. Are you aware that there is no pipeline > between alaska and mainland USA and it is all shipped in super tankers. > Do you remember Exxon Valdez by any chance ? CNN is the communist news network ... CBS is the communist broadcasting station ... NBC is the Nazi broadcasting corporation ABC is the All democrat broadcastiong channel these are all democratic propaganda networks ... they have had control over the airwaves to try and brainwash idiots for years, but now Fox has made it more of a level playing field ... people who can THINK for themselves watch Fox because they do not want filtered propaganda ... they want news and both points of view, not just one ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: <7d3e9658-43aa-478c-a34f-ccdabb7d392e@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Jun 14, 10:39 pm, JF Mezei wrote: "Yep. And making the USA poorer in the process, and your enemies now buying up portions of the USA. Hope a lesson is learned in this: don't make enemies, especially if they are rich in a commodity you need. The Bush rethoric against Venezuella is beyond logic since Venezuella is the second largest provider of Oil to the USA (after canada). And its contribution makes middle east exports to the USA pale in comparison. You'd think the USA would wanty to have a cool relationship with Venezuella if it is to mess the middle east and make lots of enemies in the middle east." JF, did you ever hear of something called PRINCIPAL? Should the french and British just got along with Hitler? you sound like the person that would sell your own mother for a buck ... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 09:05:05 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Determining display device for a process Message-ID: <57L5k.303$U5.579@newsb.telia.net> Fred Bach wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Bobby wrote: >>> I have a need to determine the device that an x-application is >>> "displaying" to. The reason is that an x-application will be >>> automatically loaded at user login, but should only be started once >>> per display (i.e., once per x-server display). The logical decw >>> $display points to the device, but how (can?) this value be retrieved >>> for a specific process? I didn't see anything in the f$getjpi() >>> function, but maybe I missed something. The same user account is used >>> for multiple stations, so looking at the UIC for the owner of a >>> process won't work. Any ideas would be appreciated. >> >> All logical name tables (incl the LNM$JOBxxxx tables) are >> available to F$TRNLNM, if you have read access to them. >> So one should be able to scan through the LNM$JOBxxx >> tables for a specific "display". >> >> See : >> SHOW LOG /STRU >> SHOW LOG /TABLE=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY >> SHOW LOG /TABLE=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY/DESCENDANTS >> >> Ex: >> SHOW LOG /DESCENDANTS/TABLE=LNM$SYSTEM_DIRECTORY DECW$DISPLAY >> will show all currently defined DEC-Windows displays >> for all processes on the system. >> >> Output to a file and search for your actual device, or >> make something up with PIPE or whatever... >> >> Regards, >> Jan-Erik. > > Jan-Erik, > > This looks pretty interesting! Could you expand on this > technique a little, please? No I leave it here. I've done no work at all during my 15 yaers with VMS with DEC-Windows... :-) :-) But it seemed as the link that Peter Weaver posted had som information about this. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:22:57 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: HP produces fault tolerant IA64 blades Message-ID: <4857add5$0$29524$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/061708-hp-nonstop.html Interesting marketing for the Tandem NSK OS with a deal to provide free hardware for IBM customers moving to NSK. But the article pretty much debunks that marketing effort as meaningless since few customers would be willing to make such a move. But it is marketing nevertheless. It is a shame that VMS management have their hands tied and mouth duct taped because it woudl be really neat for VMS to re-introduce fault tolerance and make use of those fault tolerant blades and then have multiple blades in different cities forming a true fault tolerant and disaster tolerant cluster. But we all know it won't happen. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:22:25 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <09cf73e1-f2bf-49ba-965c-70c0d5d924bb@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jun 13, 4:23=A0pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > yyyc186 schrieb: > > > Windows cannot run 24x7 at a consisten sub 100millisecond response. > > Anyone claiming it can is committing fraud. > > oh come on, cool down. > It's just OSs we're discussing, not crime. > > > It is not a real-time, > > nor is it a multi-processing system. > > That's a slightly different story. > Originally it was stated that Windoze can't stay > up 24x7, which is nonsense. > It can't do real-time, but that was not the > requirement at the beginning of this thread. Originally it was stated that Windows cannot perform realtime 24x7 running > 70% load. Fans of Windows "listened" only to the 24x7 portion of that statement then pointed to a machine they left powered on doing nothing which managed to stay up nearly 7 days. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:26:11 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <65b7867e-b977-4689-8ada-175044bcf7dc@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com> On Jun 13, 4:49=A0pm, wins...@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) wrote: > > But they have mission-critical can't-lose-a-transaction stuff with the ads= that > pay the bills. =A0To bill properly, they need to know what was displayed b= y who > when, who got click-throughs, etc, etc, and if they can't back it up they = don't > get the revenue. =A0Admittedly, they're rolling in cash from the IPO, but = the > advertising is their main revenue stream. =A0I don't know how they're trac= king > that stuff, but =A0I bet they're not as cavalier about it as about the sea= rch > indices. > They charge for both the display and the click through. The display is charged when it is sent, even if it never arrives at the display Web site. The click through must return back to Google to get the actual destination address. Client is charged for the click even if the $800PC handling the forward crashes before the clicker can see the page. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:28:53 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: On Jun 13, 4:58=A0pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > But that was not really the point. > The OP claimed that Unix systems can't stay up for > a few days or weeks (there was no mention of realtime), > which is, of course, nonsense. > > > I couldn't care less if you're impressed or not. > I simply counter some of the unsubstantiated claims made here. > One of these was that a *x system can't provide 100% service > to end users. eBay and Google are counter examples that this > is not true, and as far as I know they run on Linux. It is the point, they cannot. eBay and Google are prime examples of companies designing an infrastructure around the motto: "Some must die for all to be saved" They don't provide anywhere near 100% service. They both boot and replace a lot of blades. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:03:13 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: PCL and PDF support in DCPS. Message-ID: In article <4852bc0f$0$31210$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Paul Anderson wrote: > >> And we'd be happy to hear comments about how the PDF printing should be >> implemented. The feature has been on our to-do list for quite a while >> but is not scheduled for any future release. > >Perhaps a concept of "plug in" for DCPS. Make the architecture possible >for anyone to write code that is used by DCPS when printing certain >kinds of documents. > >You feed a .PDF file ? It calls the code defined to handle .PDF > >You feed a .JPG file ? It calls the code defined to handle .JPG (aka: >convert it to postscript). > In other words an extension to the default /param=data_type=automatic handling to handle more types of input file " HELP PRINT_PARAMETER DATA_TYPE DATA_TYPE=data-type-name Specifies which translator, if any, the print symbiont invokes. Data-type-name can be ANSI, ASCII (same as ANSI), AUTOMATIC, DDIF (bitonal image subset only), PCL, REGIS, TEK4014, POSTSCRIPT, or PROPRINTER. If the data-type-name is POSTSCRIPT, no translator is invoked. If you do not specify DATA_TYPE, it defaults to AUTOMATIC. With AUTOMATIC, the data type of the file is determined by the file extension and the contents of the file. " >Something akin to the CDA converter library where there was a defined >API allowing people to write converters. But done in a printing context. Just need something which can call an external program to handle a particular conversion - for lots of graphic formats calling imagemagick to convert the file to postscript would probably be good enough. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:05:25 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: <9bd880fd-5ecd-4693-9de3-65ffbf01c126@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Hiya, We've had a couple of sites needing to use PerfectCache on Integrity, VMS versions 8.3 and 8.3-1H1. The problems that we've experienced make me suspect that few sites are now using PerfectCache so I'm wondering if my suspicions are correct? Is anyone out there using PerfectCache on Integrity? Experiences? Thanks in advance Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:21:27 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Hiya, > > We've had a couple of sites needing to use PerfectCache on Integrity, > VMS versions 8.3 and 8.3-1H1. The problems that we've experienced > make me suspect that few sites are now using PerfectCache so I'm > wondering if my suspicions are correct? > > Is anyone out there using PerfectCache on Integrity? Experiences? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve Doesn't the current cache features in later VMS version more or less make these 3'rd party cache products obsolete ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 2008 14:31:39 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: <4857cacb$0$7348$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <9bd880fd-5ecd-4693-9de3-65ffbf01c126@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk writes: >Hiya, > >We've had a couple of sites needing to use PerfectCache on Integrity, >VMS versions 8.3 and 8.3-1H1. The problems that we've experienced >make me suspect that few sites are now using PerfectCache so I'm >wondering if my suspicions are correct? > >Is anyone out there using PerfectCache on Integrity? Experiences? > >Thanks in advance > >Steve Steve, Contact me privately with version info, etc., regarding your issues. Put "[PASS:VAXman]" in your email subject to insure you get past my anti-SPAM filter. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: 17 Jun 2008 14:32:13 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: <4857caed$0$7348$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= writes: >etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: >> Hiya, >> >> We've had a couple of sites needing to use PerfectCache on Integrity, >> VMS versions 8.3 and 8.3-1H1. The problems that we've experienced >> make me suspect that few sites are now using PerfectCache so I'm >> wondering if my suspicions are correct? >> >> Is anyone out there using PerfectCache on Integrity? Experiences? >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Steve > >Doesn't the current cache features in later VMS version >more or less make these 3'rd party cache products obsolete ? No! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:38:13 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: <8967382e-e286-4e0f-9941-f46079165e32@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On 17 Jun, 15:21, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > Hiya, > > > We've had a couple of sites needing to use PerfectCache on Integrity, > > VMS versions 8.3 and 8.3-1H1. =A0The problems that we've experienced > > make me suspect that few sites are now using PerfectCache so I'm > > wondering if my suspicions are correct? > > > Is anyone out there using PerfectCache on Integrity? =A0Experiences? > > > Thanks in advance > > > Steve > > Doesn't the current cache features in later VMS version > more or less make these 3'rd party cache products obsolete ? > > Jan-Erik. No! XFC is fine on a single node, but if you have a cluster that's opening files for write as well as read on more than one node, XFC backs off and won't cache it. Not helpful when you want to cache it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:02:51 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: <4857e272$0$1483$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Contact me privately with version info, etc., regarding your issues. > Put "[PASS:VAXman]" in your email subject to insure you get past my > anti-SPAM filter. > (email addresses slightly modified to reduce harvesting) $ telnet/port=25 mail.tmesis.com %TELNET-I-TRYING, Trying ... 64.253.47.113 %TELNET-I-SESSION, Session 01, host mail.tmesis.com, port 25 220 A533U2-10.TMESIS.COM (MX V5.4 AnHn) ESMTP server ready at Tue, 17 Jun 2008 0 HELO vaxination.ca 250 A533U2-10.TMESIS.COM MAIL FROM: jfmezei@vixenation.ca 250 2.1.0 MAIL command accepted. RCPT TO: VEXmen@tmesis.com 250 2.1.5 OK DATA 354 Start mail input; end with . Return-Path: jfmezei@vixenation.ca Received: from BRAKES.vixenation.ca (10.0.0.20) by chain.vixenation.ca (V5.6-9, OpenVMS V8.3 Alpha); Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4857CEAF.8020301@vaxination.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:48:15 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Mezei?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: VEXmen@tmesis.com Subject: [PASS:VAXman] Cluster reconfiguration issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit GROW YOUR MICROVAX BY AN INCREDIBLE 3 MIPS ! Insert our new magic blue pill sized gizmos in your motherboard, and instantly increase your Microvax's stamina and impress your wife even more with its increased power and size. Your compiler listings stack will grow by 3" in no time, and our revolutionary pills will let you compile more than once a day with results that will fullfill your wife's most intimate desires for thick and long compiler listings. Warning: if your compiles last more than 4 hours, seek immediate help of a debugger. . 554 5.7.1 Message rejected due to header contents. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:23:55 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Possible SMTP Missing postmaster bounce messages Message-ID: <4857e69d$0$7304$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Alpha 8.3, TCPIP Services 5.6 send to: valid1@domain.tld, invalid1@domain.tld, valid2@domain.tld, invalid2@domain.tld VMS makes one TCPIP connection to the domain.tld mail server (as it should). It notes that invalid1 and invalid2 are rejected, but proceeds nevertheless with the other two and the message is sent and accepted. VMS logs show valid1 and valid2 as sent, and invalid12 and invalid2 as having failed and being requeued. They are not requeued, and no postmaster message is issued to advise that invalid1 and invalid2 have not been delivered. I realise that VMS engineers no longer look at this newgroup, so this won't get fixed, but at least, users here will know of this potential problem. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: issinoho Subject: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Message-ID: <108ed27e-31b5-428c-98c7-74c8ddffb393@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Chaps, Just thought I'd show a bit of support for the Distributed NetBeans product. Not sure how many of you are using it or have tried it but it really is a terrific addition to the development options on OpenVMS. I recently finished porting a rather large commercial control system from VAX C to I64 and did it the old-fashioned character-cell way which although perfectly acceptable felt a bit archaic in this day and age. I installed and ran NetBeans and it handled the entire project flawlessly; in fact, I was editing and compiling the code base from within a modern Windows IDE back onto the VMS server. From a standing start this took all of about 3 hours and involved C, MMS and FMS. So, a slap on the back to the team involved and thanks for this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Message-ID: <9e0141af-c4f2-4295-a093-a3e21a898f12@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 17, 6:08 am, issinoho wrote: > Chaps, > > Just thought I'd show a bit of support for the Distributed NetBeans > product. Not sure how many of you are using it or have tried it but it > really is a terrific addition to the development options on OpenVMS. > > I recently finished porting a rather large commercial control system > from VAX C to I64 and did it the old-fashioned character-cell way > which although perfectly acceptable felt a bit archaic in this day and > age. > > I installed and ran NetBeans and it handled the entire project > flawlessly; in fact, I was editing and compiling the code base from > within a modern Windows IDE back onto the VMS server. From a standing > start this took all of about 3 hours and involved C, MMS and FMS. > > So, a slap on the back to the team involved and thanks for this. I've been really wanting to try this for months, since they added support for VMS BASIC, but work just isn't allowing time for forward looking (gasp, don't say that word! "Proactive" OMG you said that word!) items. I had all the last beta kits downloaded and even started installing them when the hammers fell, and fell, and fell. Sigh. I did attend the recent webinar about it and it looked really nice. I will get the thing installed but it may have to wait till end of summer now based on the new pile that just landed on my desk. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 15:01:48 GMT From: Roger Ivie Subject: Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Message-ID: On 2008-06-17, issinoho wrote: > > Just thought I'd show a bit of support for the Distributed NetBeans > product. Not sure how many of you are using it or have tried it but it > really is a terrific addition to the development options on OpenVMS. I've not used it yet, but one of my cow-orkers is very impressed. I'll probably be giving it a go when I start a new project sometime in the next couple of months. -- roger ivie rivie@ridgenet.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:03:09 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Message-ID: Rich Jordan wrote: ... > I had all the last beta kits downloaded and even > started installing them when the hammers fell, and fell, and fell. > Sigh. I know the feeling... Note that the beta phase is over: Distributed NetBeans V5.5 is out now. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/distnb.html cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://vms.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:23:57 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > >>In article <6bjcqcF3brg2aU1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >>>Just because it costs miney on Windows and can't be done on VMS doesn't >>>mean there aren't more than adequate free solutions. >> >> It certainly can be done on VMS. Where do you think Tex was born? >> And yes, I've done it. > > > Well, I am assuming the way you said it I am supposed to beleive that > TEX originated on VMS. Could be I suppose although my first guess would > have been UNix. :-) In any event, TEX didn't then and as far as I Know > doesn't now generate anything but DVI. You need additional filtes to > convert from DVI to PS or PDF or any other non-native to TEX format. > As many here have already told you, all you have to do on any modern > Unix/Linux system is choose "Print to a PDF File" from whatever print > manager you have installed. And some here have said that Windows can > do it too. So, what are the options to the VMS PRINT command to make > it generate PDF's? None, of course. The VMS PRINT command doesn't generate PDF files, never has, never will. That's because the VMS PRINT command doesn't generate files, period. It *PRINTS* files. If you have a PDF file, and send it to a PDF printer, it will print it just fine. Same with a text file to a text printer, a Postscript file to a PS printer, or a PCL file to a PCL printer. (It is possible to create a print symbiont, basically a printer filter between the print queue and the printer, to do formatting conversions. I don't know if any exist for converting other types of files to PDF.) TeX comes with many DVI converters, to convert DVI files to postscript, PDF, PCL, LN03 (Sixel), etc. They can be used directly on the output of TeX or LaTeX. They're right there in the kit, not like you need something extra. > > bill > > -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:58:23 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: John Santos wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> So, what are the options to the VMS PRINT command to make >> it generate PDF's? > (It is possible to create a print symbiont, basically a printer filter > between the print queue and the printer, to do formatting conversions. > I don't know if any exist for converting other types of files to PDF.) Or simply use the EXECSYMB where you can run your own code as an "symbiont". http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?EXECSYMB It could run whatever PDF-converter you'd like. Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:11:34 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: What is a Weendoze .CHM file? Message-ID: <485781b8$0$20585$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Or simply use the EXECSYMB where you can run your own > code as an "symbiont". > http://vms.process.com/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?EXECSYMB > It could run whatever PDF-converter you'd like. On my VAX, I have used the execsymb to create a postscript queue with output going to an LA75 printer !!!! I have the old decprint utility for postscript to sixel printing on my vax. And With simple command procedures, this gets called and it converts postscript to sixel and then queues it using normal print symbiont to the dot matrix printer. (it is 21 years old already !). However, this can't work on alpha since that utility doesn't exist (unless one vests it) and ghostscript doesn't have sixel output modules. Back to original topic: the advantage of having a "plugin" to DCPS is that you can wrote your plugin to understand only postscript, and let DCPS translate whatever input there is to postscript for you. (for instance printing text or ANSI files, you get fed postscript). ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.337 ************************