INFO-VAX Wed, 18 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 339 Contents: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" GNV and directories Re: GNV and directories Re: GNV and directories Re: GNV and directories Re: GNV and directories Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans To those who may be interested - OpevVMS Cobol Opportunity VAM Hobbyist Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 00:24:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: On Jun 14, 9:39 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > AEF wrote: > > On top of that there are the tar pits and shale oil to exploit. And we > > can work on turning coal into oil. > > Full exploitation of the alberta tar sands would, by itself, generate > enough CO2 to go beyond the limits for global Co2 emissions. > > AKA: the fossil fuels burned in the process of extracting the fossil > fuels from the tar sands would generate pollution of global proportions. > > Gas To Liquid and Coal To Liquid are young technologies that also > pollute a hell of a lot during their processing. They may mature into > something which becomes environmentally and commercially viable. > <...> > Problem with nuclear powr plants is that they take over a decade to get > into commercial operation. > > Before pitching nuclear to the world, you need to have a logical and > unified policy towards it. You can't veto Iran because they buy from > Russia (despite having signed the NPT and allowing IAEA inspectors) and > let Isarel get away with nukes without signing the NPT. (and lately, > Bush started to help India and allowing GE to sell technoology to India > despite India refusing to sign the NPT and India refusing to let go of > its nuclear bombs.) > Look up "Pebble Bed Reactor" and PBMR (M=Modular). The first commercial PBMR is being built in South Africa. This technology has been tested for years and is operational in smaller (than the SA PBMR plant) applications. It can be much more rapidly deployed and is vastly safer than "fuel-rod" generators; it needs *no* water for cooling and it will *not* go into melt-down even with complete plant failure. Radiation shielding is not required and massive structural containment is not needed except for protection from damage by external forces (terrorism, tornado, etc). A PBMR can, while generating electricity, also desalinate sea-water and even do carbon-neutral coal liquefaction (coal-to-liquid). It can't solve our problem overnight, but other than decreasing demand and/or increasing the production of existing petroleum sources, there's not much that can. Everything new takes time but there are solutions within sight. Large-scale wind generators take time to bring on-line, and their location is limited; same with large scale solar. But we do need to use the wind and sun where we can, and geothermal and tidal and every other practical non-petroleum based energy source we can find. Smaller-scale generation is becoming more practical, affordable and popular and every town, industrial-park and home that goes off-the- grid helps. Making bio-fuels from food crops is not a good solution, but processing waste and non-food crops into fuel can be done while helping, not hurting, the economy and the environment. Many smaller countries in the world that have clean and available natural power sources are using them and are helping advance the various technologies. China and India are huge and growing consumers with great and immediate needs and for them fast is winning over clean. Both are aware of the world problem and are working towards clean energy, though. The US is, too, whether the rest of the world sees it or not. The US is not a small country, and progress rarely happens fast on a national scale. That's the way our form of governments work. Even with Federal mandates, progress can drag at the state and local level. State or local governments and corporations that try to lead can find themselves mired down in bureaucratic red-tape and/or the court system. The NIMBY attitude is hard to fight and things like wind-farms and any type of new power producing or fuel processing plant can take years just to find a place to build that's acceptable to all of the governing bodies and special interest groups. So, what happened to "too cheap to meter!" By now we were supposed to have nearly-limitless almost-free electricity and jet-powered backpacks and auto-piloted cars that fly on sky-ways and space-ships to take us all around the solar-system??? And I actually thought Popular Science and Weekly Reader knew something back when I was a kid!:-[ ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jun 2008 10:46:25 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Chuck Norris says "Drill now in America for oil" Message-ID: <4858e781$0$11623$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article , Doug Phillips writes: >On Jun 14, 9:39 pm, JF Mezei wrote: >> AEF wrote: >> > On top of that there are the tar pits and shale oil to exploit. And we >> > can work on turning coal into oil. >> >> Full exploitation of the alberta tar sands would, by itself, generate >> enough CO2 to go beyond the limits for global Co2 emissions. >> >> AKA: the fossil fuels burned in the process of extracting the fossil >> fuels from the tar sands would generate pollution of global proportions. >> >> Gas To Liquid and Coal To Liquid are young technologies that also >> pollute a hell of a lot during their processing. They may mature into >> something which becomes environmentally and commercially viable. >> > ><...> > >> Problem with nuclear powr plants is that they take over a decade to get >> into commercial operation. >> >> Before pitching nuclear to the world, you need to have a logical and >> unified policy towards it. You can't veto Iran because they buy from >> Russia (despite having signed the NPT and allowing IAEA inspectors) and >> let Isarel get away with nukes without signing the NPT. (and lately, >> Bush started to help India and allowing GE to sell technoology to India >> despite India refusing to sign the NPT and India refusing to let go of >> its nuclear bombs.) >> > > >Look up "Pebble Bed Reactor" and PBMR (M=Modular). The first >commercial PBMR is being built in South Africa. > >This technology has been tested for years and is operational in >smaller (than the SA PBMR plant) applications. It can be much more >rapidly deployed and is vastly safer than "fuel-rod" generators; it >needs *no* water for cooling and it will *not* go into melt-down even >with complete plant failure. Radiation shielding is not required and >massive structural containment is not needed except for protection >from damage by external forces (terrorism, tornado, etc). A PBMR can, >while generating electricity, also desalinate sea-water and even do >carbon-neutral coal liquefaction (coal-to-liquid). > >It can't solve our problem overnight, but other than decreasing demand >and/or increasing the production of existing petroleum sources, >there's not much that can. Everything new takes time but there are >solutions within sight. > >Large-scale wind generators take time to bring on-line, and their >location is limited; same with large scale solar. But we do need to >use the wind and sun where we can, and geothermal and tidal and every >other practical non-petroleum based energy source we can find. > >Smaller-scale generation is becoming more practical, affordable and >popular and every town, industrial-park and home that goes off-the- >grid helps. > >Making bio-fuels from food crops is not a good solution, but >processing waste and non-food crops into fuel can be done while >helping, not hurting, the economy and the environment. > >Many smaller countries in the world that have clean and available >natural power sources are using them and are helping advance the >various technologies. > >China and India are huge and growing consumers with great and >immediate needs and for them fast is winning over clean. Both are >aware of the world problem and are working towards clean energy, >though. The US is, too, whether the rest of the world sees it or not. > >The US is not a small country, and progress rarely happens fast on a >national scale. That's the way our form of governments work. Even with >Federal mandates, progress can drag at the state and local level. >State or local governments and corporations that try to lead can find >themselves mired down in bureaucratic red-tape and/or the court >system. The NIMBY attitude is hard to fight and things like wind-farms >and any type of new power producing or fuel processing plant can take >years just to find a place to build that's acceptable to all of the >governing bodies and special interest groups. > >So, what happened to "too cheap to meter!" By now we were supposed to >have nearly-limitless almost-free electricity and jet-powered >backpacks and auto-piloted cars that fly on sky-ways and space-ships >to take us all around the solar-system??? And I actually thought >Popular Science and Weekly Reader knew something back when I was a >kid!:-[ They did. However they made the mistake of overlooking one of the most powerful forces impeding PROgress -- CONgress! Politics n. from: poly- combining form, many. from: ticks- parasitic blood sucking creatures. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:11:53 +0000 (UTC) From: JKB Subject: GNV and directories Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to build postgresql on OpenVMS APX 8.3. I have installed GNV, untared postgresql-8.3.3.tar. $ dir Directory DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND.POSTGRESQL] backend.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.tar;1 src.DIR;1 Total of 4 files. $ How can I change directory to postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 ? I have tried without success : set def [.postgresql-8^.3^.3] %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and otherdelimiters \[.POSTGRESQL-8\ $ bash bash$ pwd /disk$users/bertrand/postgresql bash$ cd postgresql-8^.3^.3 bash.exe.1: postgresql-8^.3^.3: no such file or directory bash$ cd postgresql-8.3.3 bash.exe.1: postgresql-8.3.3: no such file or directory bash$ ls -l total 74154 drwxr-x--- 1 DEFAULT 128 512 Jun 18 15:48 backend drwxr-x--- 1 DEFAULT 128 512 Jun 18 15:39 postgresql-8.3.3 -rw-r----- 1 DEFAULT 128 75932672 Jun 18 15:39 postgresql-8.3.3.tar drwxr-x--- 1 DEFAULT 128 512 Jun 18 15:48 src bash$ Any idea ? Regards, JKB -- Le cerveau, c'est un véritable scandale écologique. Il représente 2% de notre masse corporelle, mais disperse à lui seul 25% de l'énergie que nous consommons tous les jours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:34:48 -0400 From: "Ken Robinson" Subject: Re: GNV and directories Message-ID: <7dd80f60806180734s1852323h7c837f9abd9c9de1@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM, JKB wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to build postgresql on OpenVMS APX 8.3. I have installed > GNV, untared postgresql-8.3.3.tar. > > $ dir > > Directory DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND.POSTGRESQL] > > backend.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 > postgresql-8^.3^.3.tar;1 src.DIR;1 > > Total of 4 files. > $ > > How can I change directory to postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 ? > I have tried without success : > > set def [.postgresql-8^.3^.3] > %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and otherdelimiters > \[.POSTGRESQL-8\ Make sure your process's "Parse Style" is set to extended: $ show process/parse $ set process/parse=extended Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:44:49 +0000 (UTC) From: JKB Subject: Re: GNV and directories Message-ID: Le 18-06-2008, à propos de Re: GNV and directories, Ken Robinson écrivait dans comp.os.vms : > On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM, JKB wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I'm trying to build postgresql on OpenVMS APX 8.3. I have installed >> GNV, untared postgresql-8.3.3.tar. >> >> $ dir >> >> Directory DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND.POSTGRESQL] >> >> backend.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 >> postgresql-8^.3^.3.tar;1 src.DIR;1 >> >> Total of 4 files. >> $ >> >> How can I change directory to postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 ? >> I have tried without success : >> >> set def [.postgresql-8^.3^.3] >> %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and otherdelimiters >> \[.POSTGRESQL-8\ > > Make sure your process's "Parse Style" is set to extended: > > $ show process/parse > > $ set process/parse=extended OK, with set process/parse=extended, I can change directory with set default, but I cannot change directory with cd (GNV). Regards, JKB -- Le cerveau, c'est un véritable scandale écologique. Il représente 2% de notre masse corporelle, mais disperse à lui seul 25% de l'énergie que nous consommons tous les jours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:06:23 +0200 From: Joseph Huber Subject: Re: GNV and directories Message-ID: JKB wrote: > Le 18-06-2008, =E0 propos de > Re: GNV and directories, > Ken Robinson =E9crivait dans comp.os.vms : >> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM, JKB wrote= : >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm trying to build postgresql on OpenVMS APX 8.3. I have inst= alled >>> GNV, untared postgresql-8.3.3.tar. >>> >>> $ dir >>> >>> Directory DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND.POSTGRESQL] >>> >>> backend.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 >>> postgresql-8^.3^.3.tar;1 src.DIR;1 >>> >>> Total of 4 files. >>> $ >>> >>> How can I change directory to postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 ? >>> I have tried without success : >>> >>> set def [.postgresql-8^.3^.3] >>> %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and otherdel= imiters >>> \[.POSTGRESQL-8\ >> Make sure your process's "Parse Style" is set to extended: >> >> $ show process/parse >> >> $ set process/parse=3Dextended >=20 > OK, with set process/parse=3Dextended, I can change directory with set= > default, but I cannot change directory with cd (GNV). >=20 > Regards, >=20 > JKB >=20 I can't verify it just now, but I think for bash You need the U*x syntax:= cd postgresql-8.3.3 ls under bash should show it without the "^" escapes. Eventually check some of the DECC$* logicals: DECC$EFS_CASE_SPECIAL =3D "ENABLE" ? DECC$FILENAME_UNIX_REPORT =3D "ENABLE" ? I think in general DECC$UNIX_LEVEL should be 20. --=20 Joseph Huber - http://www.huber-joseph.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:45:33 +0000 (UTC) From: JKB Subject: Re: GNV and directories Message-ID: Le 18-06-2008, à propos de Re: GNV and directories, Joseph Huber écrivait dans comp.os.vms : > JKB wrote: >> Le 18-06-2008, à propos de >> Re: GNV and directories, >> Ken Robinson écrivait dans comp.os.vms : >>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM, JKB wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm trying to build postgresql on OpenVMS APX 8.3. I have installed >>>> GNV, untared postgresql-8.3.3.tar. >>>> >>>> $ dir >>>> >>>> Directory DISK$USERS:[BERTRAND.POSTGRESQL] >>>> >>>> backend.DIR;1 postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 >>>> postgresql-8^.3^.3.tar;1 src.DIR;1 >>>> >>>> Total of 4 files. >>>> $ >>>> >>>> How can I change directory to postgresql-8^.3^.3.DIR;1 ? >>>> I have tried without success : >>>> >>>> set def [.postgresql-8^.3^.3] >>>> %DCL-W-DIRECT, invalid directory syntax - check brackets and otherdelimiters >>>> \[.POSTGRESQL-8\ >>> Make sure your process's "Parse Style" is set to extended: >>> >>> $ show process/parse >>> >>> $ set process/parse=extended >> >> OK, with set process/parse=extended, I can change directory with set >> default, but I cannot change directory with cd (GNV). >> >> Regards, >> >> JKB >> > > I can't verify it just now, but I think for bash You need the U*x syntax: > cd postgresql-8.3.3 > ls under bash should show it without the "^" escapes. > > Eventually check some of the DECC$* logicals: > DECC$EFS_CASE_SPECIAL = "ENABLE" ? > DECC$FILENAME_UNIX_REPORT = "ENABLE" ? > > I think in general DECC$UNIX_LEVEL should be 20. I will try. Thanks a lot, JKB -- Le cerveau, c'est un véritable scandale écologique. Il représente 2% de notre masse corporelle, mais disperse à lui seul 25% de l'énergie que nous consommons tous les jours. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: PerfectCache on Integrity - anyone else using it? Message-ID: On 18 Jun, 02:13, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , John Santos w= rites: > >JF Mezei wrote: > >> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > >>>>From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=3DE7ois_Mezei?=3D > > >>>-------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>>It didn't like this! > > >> Aren't we being picky today ???? > > >> Or did you program your MTA to specifically block me ? :-) > > >> I thought you said that haveing [PASS:VAXman] in the subject would > >> bypass the rest of the filtering and allow the message though ? > > >I certainly don't know if VAXman's SMTP server cares, but in > >some places, your domain is vAxenation.ca and in others it's > >vIxenation.ca. > > Does that mean that JF is a devilish woman? :) > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot= )COM > > =A0 "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" > > http://tmesis.com/drat.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Sounds possible. Doesn't listen, always banging on about what he wants, puts forward his own agenda... Did I mention doesn't listen? :oD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Show of support for Distributed NetBeans Message-ID: <628a15e0-e971-464b-a507-99c1617855cd@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 17, 12:08 pm, issinoho wrote: > Chaps, > > Just thought I'd show a bit of support for the Distributed NetBeans > product. Not sure how many of you are using it or have tried it but it > really is a terrific addition to the development options on OpenVMS. > > I recently finished porting a rather large commercial control system > from VAX C to I64 and did it the old-fashioned character-cell way > which although perfectly acceptable felt a bit archaic in this day and > age. > > I installed and ran NetBeans and it handled the entire project > flawlessly; in fact, I was editing and compiling the code base from > within a modern Windows IDE back onto the VMS server. From a standing > start this took all of about 3 hours and involved C, MMS and FMS. > > So, a slap on the back to the team involved and thanks for this. I think it's an interesting thing but it was in beta for so long that NetBeans has moved on to V6. I hope they get the next version out the door quicker. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:12:20 -0400 From: Chuck Aaron Subject: To those who may be interested - OpevVMS Cobol Opportunity Message-ID: This mail is in regards to job prospects for the position of OpenVMS COBOL Developer/Open VMS BASIC Developer Please do go through job profile if you find considerable please do send across the updated profiles to me with salary confirmation. Position:OpenVMS COBOL Developer/Open VMS BASIC Developer Location:Fulltime/Permanent Salary:open Required Skills/Experience: Minimum 5 years programming experience on VAX/ALPHA Machines Minimum 3 years experience with COBOL/OPEN VMS Must have hands-on experience in Datatrieve, CMS, COBOL, DCL, RMS and DecForms Experience with usage of System Service and Run-Time Library Functions on Open VMS SQL and MQ experience a plus Experience with source management tools, preferably CMS/MMS Ability to partner with other lead analysts Proven ability to work with minimal supervision and minimal documentation Successful record in ALL phase of the Systems Development Lifecycle Debugging Skills: Ability to read code and understand code to enhance/debug Ability to debug code and work in pressure situations Communication Skills: Excellent written skills - ability to write test plans, program documentation, etc. Excellent comprehension skills - ability to read and understand technical specifications Excellent oral skills - must be able to articulate needs If you are interested for this position please send me your updated resume with following details. Full Name: Current Location/State: Willing to relocate: Contact#: Cell# Email: Best time to call: Availability: Expected Salary: Visa status: Thanks and Regards Abhishek Singh Brook Technologies Inc. 868 Canoas Creek, San Jose CA 95136 Ph: 408-239-4428(D) E-mail: asingh@brooktechnologies.com IM: abhishek_singh2022@yahoo.co.in ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:29:16 -0700 (PDT) From: issinoho Subject: VAM Hobbyist Message-ID: <1c9f64b5-ca91-4fb0-8e9a-f73f0c7a8a38@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> Open note to Process Software... Chaps, any chance that in the future you would consider making VAM (VMS Authentication Module) available to the Hobbyist community as you've done for most of your other products? I'd be very interested in this. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:13:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Message-ID: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Last week my network support guy was supposed to change the speed of my ethernet switch port from "10 Mbs half-duplex" to "auto-negotiate" but he forgot to do it. Then on Saturday night I shutdown the system in order to change the console parameters of my Alpha ethernet port from "twisted" to "auto-negotiate". >>> set eia0_mode auto-negotiate Upon reboot, I watched the Alpha port offer "100 Mbs full-duplex" to the switch but the connection only came up as "10 Mbs half-duplex". At this point I sent the network support guy an email and then was off until Tuesday. On Tuesday I read an email from the network guy telling me that he made his change the previous day (Monday). I was preparing to reboot my Alpha when I noticed that the port speed had already changed. ---------- Device EIA0:, device type i82558, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 14 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Current preferred CPU Id 1 Fastpath 1 Current Interrupt CPU Id 1 Operating characteristics: Link up, Full duplex, Autonegotiation. Speed (Mbits/sec) 100 Def. MAC addr 00-02-A5-F3-B4-B5 Current MAC addr 00-02-A5- F3-B4-B5 p.s. the error count was only 13 when I went home Saturday night ---------- Our network guys tell me that they've never seen a computer do this before. I'm not sure if this is true, but I'm totally impressed. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:50:54 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Message-ID: "Neil Rieck" wrote in message news:be62c6cb-9ed2-4687-a5bc-7e99fd97dc43@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... > Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS > > Last week my network support guy was supposed to change the speed of > my ethernet switch port from "10 Mbs half-duplex" to "auto-negotiate" > but he forgot to do it. Then on Saturday night I shutdown the system > in order to change the console parameters of my Alpha ethernet port > from "twisted" to "auto-negotiate". > >>>> set eia0_mode auto-negotiate > > Upon reboot, I watched the Alpha port offer "100 Mbs full-duplex" to > the switch but the connection only came up as "10 Mbs half-duplex". At > this point I sent the network support guy an email and then was off > until Tuesday. On Tuesday I read an email from the network guy telling > me that he made his change the previous day (Monday). I was preparing > to reboot my Alpha when I noticed that the port speed had already > changed. > > ---------- > Device EIA0:, device type i82558, is online, network device, error > logging is > enabled, device is a template only. > > Error count 14 Operations > completed 0 > Owner process "" Owner UIC > [SYSTEM] > Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot > S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W > Reference count 0 Default buffer > size 512 > Current preferred CPU Id 1 > Fastpath 1 > Current Interrupt CPU Id 1 > > Operating characteristics: Link up, Full duplex, Autonegotiation. > > Speed (Mbits/sec) 100 > Def. MAC addr 00-02-A5-F3-B4-B5 Current MAC addr 00-02-A5- > F3-B4-B5 > > p.s. the error count was only 13 when I went home Saturday night > ---------- > > Our network guys tell me that they've never seen a computer do this > before. I'm not sure if this is true, but I'm totally impressed. > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html > The error count increment was the change in port speed. Also, your computer guy is an idiot - I've seen both Windows and Linux change their port speed in response to a change in the switch's port speed. It depends on the NIC driver. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:50:12 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Message-ID: <-OOdnZ1Oe6GrssTVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@comcast.com> Michael D. Ober wrote: > "Neil Rieck" wrote in message > news:be62c6cb-9ed2-4687-a5bc-7e99fd97dc43@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com... >> Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS >> >> Last week my network support guy was supposed to change the speed of >> my ethernet switch port from "10 Mbs half-duplex" to "auto-negotiate" >> but he forgot to do it. Then on Saturday night I shutdown the system >> in order to change the console parameters of my Alpha ethernet port >> from "twisted" to "auto-negotiate". >> >>>>> set eia0_mode auto-negotiate >> >> Upon reboot, I watched the Alpha port offer "100 Mbs full-duplex" to >> the switch but the connection only came up as "10 Mbs half-duplex". At >> this point I sent the network support guy an email and then was off >> until Tuesday. On Tuesday I read an email from the network guy telling >> me that he made his change the previous day (Monday). I was preparing >> to reboot my Alpha when I noticed that the port speed had already >> changed. >> >> ---------- >> Device EIA0:, device type i82558, is online, network device, error >> logging is >> enabled, device is a template only. >> >> Error count 14 Operations >> completed 0 >> Owner process "" Owner UIC >> [SYSTEM] >> Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot >> S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W >> Reference count 0 Default buffer >> size 512 >> Current preferred CPU Id 1 >> Fastpath 1 >> Current Interrupt CPU Id 1 >> >> Operating characteristics: Link up, Full duplex, Autonegotiation. >> >> Speed (Mbits/sec) 100 >> Def. MAC addr 00-02-A5-F3-B4-B5 Current MAC addr 00-02-A5- >> F3-B4-B5 >> >> p.s. the error count was only 13 when I went home Saturday night >> ---------- >> >> Our network guys tell me that they've never seen a computer do this >> before. I'm not sure if this is true, but I'm totally impressed. >> >> Neil Rieck >> Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, >> Ontario, Canada. >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/openvms_demos.html >> > > > The error count increment was the change in port speed. Also, your > computer guy is an idiot - I've seen both Windows and Linux change their > port speed in response to a change in the switch's port speed. It > depends on the NIC driver. > > Mike. > > The network guy is TWICE an idiot. It's usually NOT a good idea to force speed and duplex settings. Except when dealing with certain VERY old (ten or more years) hardware, autonegotiation of speed and duplex settings is the way to go. Ten, or more, years ago there was an ambiguity in the standard for autonegotiation. Cisco Systems interpreted it one way while Digital Equipment Corporation interpreted it the other way. Forcing the setting was the only way to get 100 Full Duplex. The ambiguity was resolved long ago but there is still some old hardware out there. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: ewilts Subject: Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Message-ID: <8983502d-4b68-4746-a902-73bb290f8521@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 18, 10:50 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > The network guy is TWICE an idiot. It's usually NOT a good idea to > force speed and duplex settings. Except when dealing with certain VERY > old (ten or more years) hardware, autonegotiation of speed and duplex > settings is the way to go. I disagree and if you read the NetBackup mailing list, you'll see regular reports of people who also disagree with you. The rule of thumb I follow is: For 100mbps, FORCE the speed AND the duplex on BOTH ends of the connection For GigE, autonegotiate It hasn't failed me, and I've seen a LOT of issues with autonegotation on 100Mbps ports failing to negotiate the duplex. It seems to work, but performance really, really sucks. > Ten, or more, years ago there was an ambiguity in the standard for > autonegotiation. Cisco Systems interpreted it one way while Digital > Equipment Corporation interpreted it the other way. Forcing the setting > was the only way to get 100 Full Duplex. > > The ambiguity was resolved long ago but there is still some old hardware > out there. . . . Current Cisco switches and current Ethernet adapters still have issues at 100Mbps. There is NO disadvantage to forcing speed and duplex at 100Mbps. There are potential disadvantages to autonegotiating. Why take a chance? .../Ed ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.339 ************************