INFO-VAX Fri, 20 Jun 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 343 Contents: Re: ACME Authentication issues when LDAP server is down. DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Re: DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Re: DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Re: Interesting job ad from HP Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: LMF and abandonned products PDP-11 newsgroups, was: Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: Possible SMTP Missing postmaster bounce messages Re: VAM Hobbyist Re: VAM Hobbyist Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:43:25 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: ACME Authentication issues when LDAP server is down. Message-ID: <485bc201$1@flight> DaveG wrote: >> Is there no way to force an authentication to occur immediately using >> the VMS DOI in the case where the LDAP DOI is failing due to the LDAP >> server not being available? > > Sounds like something to make VMS support/engineering aware of. > Did that (logged a support case). The response was : "Engineering has acknowledged the behavior you are reporting, and has also stated that it's currently correct, expected behavior. They also will be looking into modifying the behavior in future releases to address these issues." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:03:15 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Message-ID: http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=335&tag=nl.e539 Apple announces ZFS on Snow Leopard Finally, a modern file system on a consumer OS As if Grand Central weren't enough bad news for Microsoft, now they have ZFS to contend with. Building a reliable, high-performance file system takes years and Microsoft doesn't have years to respond. The formal announcement is for Snow Leopard server, which is how Apple introduces new file systems. HFS+ first arrived on a server version as well. Who cares? Anyone who stores data should. Microsoft's NTFS is 20 year old technology borrowed from DEC. Fine for small disks and puny CPUs. Not so great for today's data intensive systems and applications. Silent data corruption is common - only you don't know it - because the corruption shows up as other problems, like missing DLLs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:28:20 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Message-ID: In article , "John Smith" writes: >http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=335&tag=nl.e539 > > >Apple announces ZFS on Snow Leopard >Finally, a modern file system on a consumer OS >As if Grand Central weren't enough bad news for Microsoft, now they have ZFS >to contend with. Building a reliable, high-performance file system takes >years and Microsoft doesn't have years to respond. > >The formal announcement is for Snow Leopard server, which is how Apple >introduces new file systems. HFS+ first arrived on a server version as well. > >Who cares? >Anyone who stores data should. > >Microsoft's NTFS is 20 year old technology borrowed from DEC. Fine for small >disks and puny CPUs. Not so great for today's data intensive systems and >applications. > What part of NTFS was borrowed from DEC ? According to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS NTFS was built using ideas from HPFS the OS/2 file system developed by Microsoft with IBM perhaps as a result of this they share the same disk partition type code (07). David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:59:04 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: DEC slighted in filesystem 'opinion' Message-ID: In article , david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > In article , "John Smith" > writes: > >http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=335&tag=nl.e539 > > > > > >Apple announces ZFS on Snow Leopard > >Finally, a modern file system on a consumer OS > >As if Grand Central weren't enough bad news for Microsoft, now they have ZFS > >to contend with. Building a reliable, high-performance file system takes > >years and Microsoft doesn't have years to respond. > > > >The formal announcement is for Snow Leopard server, which is how Apple > >introduces new file systems. HFS+ first arrived on a server version as well. > > > >Who cares? > >Anyone who stores data should. > > > >Microsoft's NTFS is 20 year old technology borrowed from DEC. Fine for small > >disks and puny CPUs. Not so great for today's data intensive systems and > >applications. > > > What part of NTFS was borrowed from DEC ? > > According to wikipedia > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS > > NTFS was built using ideas from HPFS the OS/2 file system developed by > Microsoft with IBM perhaps as a result of this they share the same disk > partition type code (07). > "20 year old technology" doesn't sound right in the DEC context either. Meanwhile, there are some demos for ZFS over at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/demos/ -- Paul Sture OpenVMS Freeware CD listings: http://www.sture.ch/freeware/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Interesting job ad from HP Message-ID: <169b6464-d493-44a7-badb-13d65b645768@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jun 17, 9:17=A0pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > johnwalla...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Jun 17, 8:38 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > > > > > >> I don't think it keeps a record of uptime but I could easily be wrong > >> about that. . . . > > >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555737- or in brief: for a Windows > > box where you are logged on with access to a command prompt, type "net > > statistics server". The "statistics since" date+time is the date+time > > of last reboot. > > Thanks. =A0Seventeen days and counting! 17 mostly idle days. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:42:54 +0200 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon schrieb: > > It would be illegal and I would hope there is no one here stupid enough > to tell how to do it in a public forum. There is no such thing as > "abandoned" software. who cares about abandoned software. Get real. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:55:21 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:43:06 -0700, pos wrote: >>> Ask the current owners of DOCUMENT - \ >>> http://www.ttinet.com/decdocument.html > > I tried - no reply to phone or email. Has anyone else tried recently... > > Ditto -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:33:05 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: <485bc1a9$0$20523$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > No pandora's box. It is flat out illegal. Just like faking licenses > for VMS or Windows or MS Office. Ok, just for the sake of discussion here. Say company X writes a piece of software that was last updated in 1990. Company X has since gone out of business. Wouldn't copyright eventually expire on said piece of software and it would then become fair game to start to use it without paying a licence ? OK, lets take a theoretical case of VAX-Book. It is sold to SSI technologies in the 1990s. Since then, SSI hasn't developped it, but remains in business due to other products. What does SSI have to do to keep "ownership" of VAX-Book and prevent the copyright from lapsing ? Just fill out some form every 5 years ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:49:32 +0000 (UTC) From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: In article <485bc1a9$0$20523$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > What does SSI have to do to keep "ownership" of VAX-Book and prevent the > copyright from lapsing ? Just fill out some form every 5 years ? That's a rhethorical question, eh ? We all know the probable Fatwah of our IP Mullah B.G. If you apply common sense (i.e. the opposite of IP laws), those rights should expire after a couple of years of non-marketing, just as patents do. Maybe some Ralph Nader should pursue that issue. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jun 2008 07:28:09 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: PDP-11 newsgroups, was: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: In article <6c0dphF3edbf1U2@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > > retired != abandoned > If the owner of the product does not want you to continue using it > that is their right. The product is not abandoned because they > aren't willing to meet your demands. Damn, this is starting to > look like the PDP-11 newsgroups. > [Followups set to the PDP-11 newsgroups] I've no comment about VAX Document, but it's already been pointed out to you (with varying degrees of politeness :-)) in the PDP-11 newsgroups that most, and probably all, the people there are wanting to stay within the bounds of what's allowed by the law and Mentec's previous permission to use old versions of the PDP-11 operating systems under a hobbyist licence. For the record, I for one, make sure that I stay with the versions of the operating systems that are allowed by the Mentec hobbyist license and I resent any implication that I would do otherwise. Simon. PS: BTW, how would you feel about an re-implemention of a PDP-11/other DEC OS that was done from public documentation ? (I'm thinking here about how Linux re-implemented Unix here) Would you regard that as stealing a vendor's product as well ? :-) PPS: Before you bring it up, I've also seen some comments about how some people claim that the Mentec hobbyist license is no longer valid. What I've never seen is any actual statement from Mentec that actually says that. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:28:40 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Possible SMTP Missing postmaster bounce messages Message-ID: <4f422cc3-dbe6-4e02-897c-3fcedd348aeb@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 20, 12:56 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > AEF wrote: > > On Jun 17, 3:31 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >>> Alpha 8.3, TCPIP Services 5.6 > >>> send to: > >>> val...@domain.tld, > >>> inval...@domain.tld, > >>> val...@domain.tld, > >>> inval...@domain.tld > >>> VMS makes one TCPIP connection to the domain.tld mail server (as it > >>> should). It notes that invalid1 and invalid2 are rejected, but proceeds > >>> nevertheless with the other two and the message is sent and accepted. > >>> VMS logs show valid1 and valid2 as sent, and invalid12 and invalid2 as > >>> having failed and being requeued. > >>> They are not requeued, and no postmaster message is issued to advise > >>> that invalid1 and invalid2 have not been delivered. > >>> I realise that VMS engineers no longer look at this newgroup, so this > >>> won't get fixed, but at least, users here will know of this potential > >>> problem. > >> SOME of the VMS Engineers still read this newsgroup. More might if we > >> were a little better about staying on topic. Asking them to wade > >> through the drivel on "global warming", quantum mechanics, etc, is a > >> little too much to ask. Reading sixty to a hundred messages per day can > >> consume a significant amount of time!! > > >> I'm not going to hold my breath. . . ! > > > Richard, > > > Is this your post about hospital care? > > >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/696cc0cf61337392?dmode... > > > AEF > > Yes. Why? Because you frequently complain about off-topic posts yet you, too, contribute your own. Is hospital care somehow more relevant to VMS than quantum mechanics? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: VAM Hobbyist Message-ID: <87216d7c-c898-4b14-9875-856d5bc99408@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Jun 18, 11:29 am, issinoho wrote: > Open note to Process Software... > > Chaps, any chance that in the future you would consider making VAM > (VMS Authentication Module) available to the Hobbyist community as > you've done for most of your other products? I'd be very interested in > this. What feature of VAM are you wishing to use? You would be better emailing someone at Process as they may well not read here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 09:38:14 -0600 From: Dan O'Reilly Subject: Re: VAM Hobbyist Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20080620093732.02391a88@raptor.psccos.com> No, we do read it! Please contact me at dano@process.com and we can see what you need and what we can do. At 09:18 AM 6/20/2008, IanMiller wrote: >On Jun 18, 11:29 am, issinoho wrote: > > Open note to Process Software... > > > > Chaps, any chance that in the future you would consider making VAM > > (VMS Authentication Module) available to the Hobbyist community as > > you've done for most of your other products? I'd be very interested in > > this. > > >What feature of VAM are you wishing to use? > >You would be better emailing someone at Process as they may well not >read here. ------ +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | Dan O'Reilly | "There are 10 types of people in this | | Principal Engineer | world: those who understand binary | | Process Software | and those who don't." | | http://www.process.com | | +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:56:28 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Very cool Ethernet speedup on OpenVMS Message-ID: <88a1cf81-00cc-492c-a677-baee6a316332@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jun 19, 7:33=A0pm, ewilts wrote: > It doesn't work 100% of the time. =A0I'm going from memory probably 6-12 > months old, but with 7.3-2 (likely close to up to date with patches), > a DS10's internal NIC, and a Cisco switch, full duplex is not > negotiated properly. =A0Auto/auto on the switch and auto/auto on the > DS10 will not negotiate properly. > =A0 =A0.../Ed I have a DS10L (OpenVMS v7.3-2) with internal nics and had problems early on with autonegotiating to an SMC 10/100 switch. I replaced the switch with a Linksys and everything worked fine. I had reason to suspect the SMC was at fault because of past issues with other systems losing connections. So, it's not necessarily the Alpha that's the problem. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.343 ************************