INFO-VAX Fri, 04 Jul 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 370 Contents: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Re: [Related topic] Question about NTP.CONF master and local-master commands c ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:43:47 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: "William Webb" wrote in news:8660a3a10807021602v6b4880b7o8d6793c7430fd4b3@mail.gmail.com: > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, wrote: > >> In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei < >> jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >> >This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. >> > >> > >> > >> >Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has >> >sex with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... >> >Person X. >> > >> >> > And the Heinlein story was the first place I ever heard of that song. > It was in a sci-fi anthology, the title of which eludes me, although I > remember that the hardcover was red. "All You Zombies---", and earlier "By His Bootstraps". Both have Wikepedia entries. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 15:20:08 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: <8660a3a10807031220l3b202183oe81043c02acbc075@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_10341_13142376.1215112809124 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:19 PM, William Webb wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Alfred Falk wrote: > >> "William Webb" wrote in >> news:8660a3a10807021602v6b4880b7o8d6793c7430fd4b3@mail.gmail.com >> : >> >> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, wrote: >> > >> >> In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei < >> >> jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >> >> >This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has >> >> >sex with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... >> >> >Person X. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > And the Heinlein story was the first place I ever heard of that song. >> > It was in a sci-fi anthology, the title of which eludes me, although I >> > remember that the hardcover was red. >> >> "All You Zombies---", and earlier "By His Bootstraps". Both have >> Wikepedia entries. >> >> > Book was hardcover, thick and red. > > I think the word "Omnibus" was in the title. "Omnibus of Science Fiction?" > > This sounds right, as does the age of the volume. > > [image: Omnibus of Science Fiction] > > Omnibus of Science Fictionby Editor Groff Conklin > (Hardcover - 1952) > > > WWWebb > ------=_Part_10341_13142376.1215112809124 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:19 PM, William Webb <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Alfred Falk <falk@arc.remove.ab.ca> wrote:
"William Webb" <william.w.webb@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8660a3a10807021602v6b4880b7o8d6793c7430fd4b3@mail.gmail.com:

> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <
>> jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
>> >This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Person X,male,  aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has
>> >sex with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ...
>> >Person X.
>> >
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> And the Heinlein story was the first place I ever heard of that song.
> It was in a sci-fi anthology, the title of which eludes me, although I
> remember that the hardcover was red.

"All You Zombies---", and earlier "By His Bootstraps".  Both have
Wikepedia entries.


Book was hardcover, thick and red.

I think the word "Omnibus" was in the title.  "Omnibus of Science Fiction?"

This sounds right, as does the age of the volume.

Omnibus of Science Fiction
Omnibus of Science Fiction by Editor Groff Conklin (Hardcover - 1952)


WWWebb

------=_Part_10341_13142376.1215112809124-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:30:55 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has sex > with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... Person X. > > Person X becomes his own father. And his son is himself. Throw in a(n advanced) sex-change operation so that the bloke can be BOTH parents and you have ALL YOU ZOMBIES by Robert Heinlein. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:47:09 GMT From: Alfred Falk Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: "William Webb" wrote in news:8660a3a10807031220l3b202183oe81043c02acbc075@mail.gmail.com: > On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 3:19 PM, William Webb > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Alfred Falk >> wrote: >> >>> "William Webb" wrote in >>> news:8660a3a10807021602v6b4880b7o8d6793c7430fd4b3@mail.gmail.com >> %3A8660a3a10807021602v6b4880b7o8d6793c7430fd4b3@mail.gmail.com> >>> : >>> >>> > On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:21 AM, wrote: >>> > >>> >> In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei >>> >> < jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >>> >> >This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X >>> >> >has sex with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth >>> >> >to ... Person X. >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > And the Heinlein story was the first place I ever heard of that >>> > song. It was in a sci-fi anthology, the title of which eludes me, >>> > although I remember that the hardcover was red. >>> >>> "All You Zombies---", and earlier "By His Bootstraps". Both have >>> Wikepedia entries. >>> >>> >> Book was hardcover, thick and red. >> >> I think the word "Omnibus" was in the title. "Omnibus of Science >> Fiction?" >> >> This sounds right, as does the age of the volume. >> >> [image: Omnibus of Science Fiction] >> > Z56FQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215112639&sr=1-5> Omnibus of >> Science >> Fiction> p/B000NZ56FQ/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1215112639&sr=1-5>by >> Editor Groff Conklin (Hardcover - 1952) Possibly. I read one or more anthologies by Conklin in the early 60's, but I don't recall reading AYZ there. I first read it in "The Unpleasant Profession of Jonathan Hoag", a Heinlein-only collection. However 1952 is too early. The story was first published in 1959. But then... we're talking time travel here... so... ---------------------------------------------------------------- A L B E R T A Alfred Falk falk@arc.ab.ca R E S E A R C H Information Systems Dept (780)450-5185 C O U N C I L 250 Karl Clark Road Edmonton, Alberta, Canada http://www.arc.ab.ca/ T6N 1E4 http://outside.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 23:13:42 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: >In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > writes: > >> Person X,male, aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has sex >> with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... Person X. >> >> Person X becomes his own father. And his son is himself. > >Throw in a(n advanced) sex-change operation so that the bloke can be >BOTH parents and you have ALL YOU ZOMBIES by Robert Heinlein. > The time-traveller is a hermaphrodite ie starts out with both male and female sexual organs from http://ieng9.ucsd.edu/~mfedder/zombies.html " 'Take it easy. When I opened you, I found a mess. I sent for the Chief of Surgery while I got the baby out, then we held a consultation with you on the table - and worked for hours to salvage what we could. You had two full sets of organs, both immature, but with the female set well enough developed for you to have a baby. They could never be any use to you again, so we took them out and rearranged things so that you can develop properly as a man.' He put a hand on me. 'Don't worry. You're young, your bones will readjust, we'll watch your glandular balance - and make a fine young man out of you.' " David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:28:39 GMT From: Bob Harris Subject: Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Message-ID: In article <486cb741$0$15580$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei wrote: > Bob Harris wrote: > > > Going to Field Test, polishing the code, resolving the active > > bugs, and releasing the product is what didn't happen. We were > > demoing the technology running on HP-UX. Confidence and moral was > > high that we would finish, that is until the last month or so when > > we knew they were going to lay us off. > > I had no idea it had gone that far. But it was always clear to me that > when they announced the end of Tru64 on HP-UX, it was really about > striking a deal with Veritas or whatever the company was. > > I wonder how much they will contribute to the blonde bimbo's election > campaign. At this time, would Veritas have felt threathened by the Tru64 > file system ? Could this have resulted in Veritas losing much business ? > If so, Veritas may have given the blonde bimbo a deal she could refuse > in exchange for killing the porting of Tru64 to HP-UX. While I did not think Carly was a good CEO, I do not think she was the cause of the TruCluster/AdvFS port cancelation. To the best of my knowledge she is the one that initially pushed porting TruCluster/AdvFS on the HP-UX group. It was the HP-UX group that fought the port. It was the HP-UX managers that were doing the in-fighting. > In terms of technical stuff, was endianness an issue that consumed much > time for the port ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:37:35 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: [Related topic] Question about NTP.CONF master and local-master commands c Message-ID: AEF wrote: > Hello, > > [Also posted to vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.tcpware.] > > What is the point of the local-master and master commands? Can't you > just use the server command to point nodes to the "local-master"? > > Suppose I have a fleet of VAX systems in London and another in NYC and > a non-VMS NTP server in our NYC office. Can't I just have each London > VAX point to a particular London VAX and have that particular London > VAX point to a set of VAX systems in NYC or even our NTP server (which > is NOT a VAX system). And then if the WAN goes down, all the London > VAX systems would then sync off the "local-master" London VAX? > > local-master in London (node A): > server NYC VAX system NY1 prefer > server NYC VAX system NY2 > > local-master in London (node A): > server NYC VAX (or NYC NTP source) > > Other London VAX systems: > server node-A prefer > server node-B > > NY1 and NY2: > server non-VAX NTP-system > > Wouldn't this work? Why would I need a local-master or master commands > anywhere, and if so where and how? > > Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've been looking on the net > and in the FM and still don't see the point. > > BTW, I'm running TCPware 5.3-3. > > Thanks! > > AEF If I understand NTP correctly, you use "local-master" when you want that system to use it's own internal clock as the master clock for all the systems that use it as a time server, when it can't talk to an external time server. (If the WAN connection dies, use this system as the master until it comes back.) You would use "master" for a server that doesn't have any external access (an isolated network), so it can't synchronize with an external timeserver, or for a server that had an internal atomic clock or had it's system clock set by an atomic clock or WWV receiver, or could otherwise be regarded as an authoritative time server. If you are syncing with an external time service (from your ISP or NIST or someplace), you wouldn't use either, unless you are worried about losing WAN connectivity. You could set up 2 or 3 London VAXes as local servers, peering with each other and getting served by your NYC systems. Then if one of them is down, the rest of the London VAXes can sync from the other two, and the 3 London servers, syncing with each other, will converge on the NYC time more quickly, averaging out individual clock and latency differences. In NYC, have 2 or 3 VAXes sync with the non-VMS server (peering with each other), and serving the rest of the NYC VAXes (and the London servers.) That way, if one of the VAXes is down, or the NYC NTP server is down, the other systems still have a reasonably accurate time source. In NTP terms, the different levels of servers are called strata. Stratum 1 would be the non-VMS NYC server (unless it is syncing with an external server, in which case increment all the stratum numbers appropriately.) Stratum 2 would be 3 NYC server VAXes. Stratum 3 would be the rest of the NYC VAXes and the London server VAXes. Stratum 4 would be the rest of the London VAXes. Stratum numbers are determined dynamically. If the NYC NTP server goes away, the NYC VAX servers will automatically bump to stratum 1, and so forth for the others. The 3 NYC server VAXes would all have server NYC-NTP-SERVER peer NYCVAX2 peer NYCVAX3 (or NYCVAX1 & NYCVAX3 for NYCVAX2, or NYCVAX1 and NYCVAX2 for NYCVAX3) The 3 London server VAXes would have server NYCVAX1 server NYCVAX2 server NYCVAX3 peer LondonVAX2 peer LondonVAX3 (substituting appropriately for LondonVAX2 and 3.) All the other NYC VAXes would have: server NYCVAX1 server NYCVAX2 server NYCVAX3 and all the other London VAXes would have: server LondonVAX1 server LondonVAX2 server LondonVAX3 in there respective NTP.CONF files. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.370 ************************