INFO-VAX Thu, 10 Jul 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 383 Contents: Changes to the freeware web site Re: Changes to the freeware web site Re: Changes to the freeware web site Re: Changes to the freeware web site Re: Changes to the freeware web site DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? MTH$ RTL documentation Re: MTH$ RTL documentation Re: MTH$ RTL documentation Re: MTH$ RTL documentation MTH$ vs. MATH$ Odd behaviour of parse style (in DEFINE) Re: Odd behaviour of parse style (in DEFINE) Re: Quasi-push technologies (was: Re: Another new VMS system.) Srategy to pickup files at specific times Re: Srategy to pickup files at specific times Re: Srategy to pickup files at specific times ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:45:31 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Changes to the freeware web site Message-ID: <4875be20$0$18583$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/ ## NOTE: Due to infrastructure changes on this web site, we can no longer offer individual program downloads. ## AKA: you want that DCL utility ? You need to download a 1 to 4 gig .ZIP file, unzip the whole kit and kaboodle to find it. The ability to download individual packages was very welcomed. The functionality will be sadly missed. But I understand that with dwindling resources at HP, there are other prioritoes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Keith Cayemberg Subject: Re: Changes to the freeware web site Message-ID: <55eb9055-54f2-4df9-95f7-b2ac7af5e88b@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Jul 10, 9:45 am, JF Mezei wrote: > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/freeware/ > > ## > NOTE: Due to infrastructure changes on this web site, we can no longer > offer individual program downloads. > ## > > AKA: you want that DCL utility ? You need to download a 1 to 4 gig .ZIP > file, unzip the whole kit and kaboodle to find it. > > The ability to download individual packages was very welcomed. The > functionality will be sadly missed. But I understand that with dwindling > resources at HP, there are other prioritoes. Hi JF, you can still download the individual packages at the SAIC mirror site. ftp://mvb.saic.com/ Look for the following directories... ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev40/ ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev50/ ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev60/ ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev70/ ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev80/ Cheers! Keith Cayemberg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:34:38 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Changes to the freeware web site Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:18:37 -0700, Keith Cayemberg wrote: > Look for the following directories... > ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev40/ > ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev50/ > ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev60/ > ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev70/ > ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev80/ are these disjoint sets? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 08:59:47 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Changes to the freeware web site Message-ID: On Jul 10, 9:34 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:18:37 -0700, Keith Cayemberg > > wrote: > > Look for the following directories... > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev40/ > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev50/ > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev60/ > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev70/ > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev80/ > > are these disjoint sets? > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com I believe they are. In order to keep it down to two CD's (or whatever) Hoff decided to only include updates and new packages. That's probably why you don't see 1 thru 3. So if you're looking for the latest version of a package, start with 8 and work your way back. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:04:14 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Changes to the freeware web site Message-ID: <7c0c6ef8-ca47-4dda-9880-17b7d2f28c35@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jul 10, 11:59 am, AEF wrote: > On Jul 10, 9:34 am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > > > On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:18:37 -0700, Keith Cayemberg > > > wrote: > > > Look for the following directories... > > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev40/ > > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev50/ > > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev60/ > > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev70/ > > >ftp://mvb.saic.com/freewarev80/ > > > are these disjoint sets? > > > -- > > PL/I for OpenVMSwww.kednos.com > > I believe they are. In order to keep it down to two CD's (or whatever) > Hoff decided to only include updates and new packages. That's probably > why you don't see 1 thru 3. So if you're looking for the latest > version of a package, start with 8 and work your way back. > > AEF Verified! See http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.vms/msg/fd919f82d1e8992e And I assume this holds for V6 and up, also. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:36:57 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Message-ID: Hello, under OpenVMS 7.3-2 I noticed a problem which might be related to CSWB. Since a few days it suddenly happens that the AlphaStation gets stuck. The graphics screen freezes. This happens since a week or so. It happens only in conjunction with CSWB, e.g. the freeze occurs when opening a new webpage. A closer look reveals that the user's process DECW$SERVER_0 eats up all CPU time. The fix is to restart DecWindows. The question is: why does this happen? It is not related to any special website. Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:46:16 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Message-ID: <4875e87c$0$18525$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Christoph Gartmann wrote: > Hello, > > under OpenVMS 7.3-2 I noticed a problem which might be related to CSWB. Since > a few days it suddenly happens that the AlphaStation gets stuck. The graphics > screen freezes. This happens since a week or so. It happens only in conjunction > with CSWB, e.g. the freeze occurs when opening a new webpage. > A closer look reveals that the user's process DECW$SERVER_0 eats up all CPU > time. The fix is to restart DecWindows. The question is: why does this happen? > It is not related to any special website. show process/cont decw$server_0 and look at the page file quota. If running mozilla on VMS, you need to give both the decw$server and the mosilla process gigantic page file quotas because of memory leaks and the fact that mozilla "forgets" to destroy Xpixmaps when you leave a page, and those remain in the decw$server's memory. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:38:44 +0000 (UTC) From: gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Subject: Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Message-ID: In article <4875e87c$0$18525$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >show process/cont decw$server_0 and look at the page file quota. If >running mozilla on VMS, you need to give both the decw$server and the >mosilla process gigantic page file quotas because of memory leaks and >the fact that mozilla "forgets" to destroy Xpixmaps when you leave a >page, and those remain in the decw$server's memory. Uh, I see. Any chance that there is a newer version of CWSB in the near future? Regards, Christoph Gartmann -- Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 Immunbiologie Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de D-79011 Freiburg, Germany http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:04:52 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: DECW$SERVER_0 at 100% CPU? Message-ID: In article , gartmann@nonsense.immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >In article <4875e87c$0$18525$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >>show process/cont decw$server_0 and look at the page file quota. If >>running mozilla on VMS, you need to give both the decw$server and the >>mosilla process gigantic page file quotas because of memory leaks and >>the fact that mozilla "forgets" to destroy Xpixmaps when you leave a >>page, and those remain in the decw$server's memory. > >Uh, I see. Any chance that there is a newer version of CWSB in the near future? > SeaMonkey 1.1.10 the all-in-one follow on to Mozilla was released for other platforms (Windows, MAC OS X, Linux, OS/2) on 2nd July 2008 see http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ and see http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#1.1.10 for a link to the sourcecode tarball. Whether HP is working on porting this (or Firefox and Thunderbird) to VMS is another question. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University PS. An uptodate/usable flash plugin would also be useful. >Regards, > Christoph Gartmann > >-- > Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-464 Fax: -452 > Immunbiologie > Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de > D-79011 Freiburg, Germany > http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 19:53:14 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: MTH$ RTL documentation Message-ID: Hi, Can someone please tell me where the online documentation for the MTH$ RTL can be found? It's not in the "obsolete" section with PPL$ and DecTalk, but then I can't find it in the "normal" docs either :-( Looking for mth$random at the mo, but am also interested in all the lovely mth$jiand etc routines. Cheers Richard maher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:16:18 +0100 From: "R.A.Omond" Subject: Re: MTH$ RTL documentation Message-ID: <4875fd95$0$90272$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Richard Maher wrote: > > Can someone please tell me where the online documentation for the MTH$ RTL > can be found? > > It's not in the "obsolete" section with PPL$ and DecTalk, but then I can't > find it in the "normal" docs either :-( > > Looking for mth$random at the mo, but am also interested in all the lovely > mth$jiand etc routines. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6118/6118pro.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:33:14 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: MTH$ RTL documentation Message-ID: R.A.Omond wrote: > Richard Maher wrote: >> >> Can someone please tell me where the online documentation for the MTH$ >> RTL >> can be found? >> >> It's not in the "obsolete" section with PPL$ and DecTalk, but then I >> can't >> find it in the "normal" docs either :-( >> >> Looking for mth$random at the mo, but am also interested in all the >> lovely >> mth$jiand etc routines. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6118/6118pro.html So MTH$ = MATH$ ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:31:15 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: MTH$ RTL documentation Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:53:14 -0700, Richard Maher wrote: > Hi, > > Can someone please tell me where the online documentation for the > MTH$ RTL > can be found? > > It's not in the "obsolete" section with PPL$ and DecTalk, but then I > can't > find it in the "normal" docs either :-( > > Looking for mth$random at the mo, but am also interested in all the > lovely > mth$jiand etc routines. > > Cheers Richard maher > > If you all you need is a random number generator I put one up a while back http://www.kednos.com/pli_examples/RAND.HTML but you will have to translate to Cobol yourself:-) -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:31:20 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: MTH$ vs. MATH$ Message-ID: Got this privately from Stephen Hoffman. Can't see why it could be on-list. Enojy! Jan-Erik. MTH$ is the VAX math library, and documented at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6117/6117PRO.html The VAX math library (and all of the VAX-isms) didn't get ported (to Alpha), and the replacement is dmpl/cpml/hppml; the portable math library. Porting documentation where the retirement is mentioned: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_MIGR_APPL.pdf "4.3 Compatibility Between the Mathematics Libraries Available on VAX and Alpha Systems" "Mathematical applications using the standard OpenVMS call interface to the OpenVMS Mathematics (MTH$) Run-Time Library need not change their calls to MTH$ routines when migrating to an OpenVMS Alpha system. Jacket routines are provided that map MTH$ routines to their math$ counterparts in the Digital Portable Mathematics Library (DPML) for OpenVMS Alpha systems. However, there is no support in the DPML for calls made to JSB entry points and vector routines. Note that DPML routines are different from those in the OpenVMS MTH$ RTL and you should expect to see small differences in the precision of the mathematical results." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:53:30 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Odd behaviour of parse style (in DEFINE) Message-ID: <4875b1ef$0$18551$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> with set proc/parse_style=traditional $ dir usrdir:[jfmezei]curl*.zip/nohead USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]curl-7^.18^.2-vms-axp.zip;1 $ rename USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]curl-7^.18^.2-vms-axp.zip;1 $disk2:[kits] %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters \^\ The above is expected because DCL is told to expect filenames as argument of the RENAME command and tried to validate them using tradictional file names. But why does a DEFINE command fail ? $ define source USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]curl-7^.18^.2-vms-axp.zip;1 %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special characters \^\ Shouldn't the DEFINE command just accept the second parameter as any string and not try to validate it in any way ? VMS - Alpha 8.3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:24:09 GMT From: "Tim E. Sneddon" Subject: Re: Odd behaviour of parse style (in DEFINE) Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > But why does a DEFINE command fail ? > > $ define source USRDIR:[JFMEZEI]curl-7^.18^.2-vms-axp.zip;1 > %DCL-W-PARMDEL, invalid parameter delimiter - check use of special > characters > \^\ > > > Shouldn't the DEFINE command just accept the second parameter as any > string and not try to validate it in any way ? No. Check the HELP for DEFINE. If you want DEFINE to treat the second parameter as any string, you need to quote it. To make the above example work you need to enable extended parsing. Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:13:21 -0400 From: "John Smith" Subject: Re: Quasi-push technologies (was: Re: Another new VMS system.) Message-ID: "Richard Maher" wrote in message news:g520vp$7kk$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au... > Hi Jeffrey, > > Thanks for the reply. > >> I can't easily tell if this is the same concept, but look at >> www.monex.com. That ticker simply reads a file every few minutes that is >> updated by the trading system which is an OpenVMS cluster. > > Interesting; you wouldn't happen to know if it's a periodic refresh, or > Ajax > or a hidden iFrame would you? (Or something else?) > > It's just that I have the Java console turned on for Applets and it popped > up on that page, and I couldn't see an obvious Applet Object def (that > wasn't buried in son included .JS file) and was just curious as to which > bit > the Java was controlling. > > Cheers Richard Maher > > PS. I'm currently very interested in various "push" technologies. (Used > mainly in conjunction with Tier3 client/server request/response > mechanisms) Are you looking for 'push' which has to be 'acked' or is an undirected straight UDP 'publish' to all 'listeners' ok? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:28:06 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Srategy to pickup files at specific times Message-ID: <4875c81b$0$18601$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> I wish to pickup weather radar images "as soon as they are ready". The canadian radar web sites update their images at either 10 or 20 minute intervals, and their web page link to a different image name every time. The images become available "a few minutes" after the times on the images. I'd like to have a DCL a procedure that use CURL to pickup the main HTML, parse it to find the appropriate Subject: Re: Srategy to pickup files at specific times Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:28:06 -0700, JF Mezei = wrote: > I wish to pickup weather radar images "as soon as they are ready". > The canadian radar web sites update their images at either 10 or 20 > minute intervals, and their web page link to a different image name > every time. The images become available "a few minutes" after the time= s > on the images. > > > I'd like to have a DCL a procedure that use CURL to pickup the main > HTML, parse it to find the appropriate image (and then imagemagik to process image to be usable on my mobile = = > phone) > > In a detached process running loginout.exe (aka: DCL), is this only wa= y > to "wake up" at a specific time to do a : > > say my logic determines that I should pickup files 2 minutes after eve= ry > 10 (eg: 02, 12, 22, 32, 42, 52) > > $A =3D F$TIME() > $extract the minutes/hour from it. > $calculate how many minutes between now and the next pickup time > $WAIT that many minutes > > Is this the best way ? Keith posted this which you may find useful http://unix.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.vms/2008-05/msg00979.html -- = PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jul 2008 13:22:07 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Srategy to pickup files at specific times Message-ID: <48760cff$0$5009$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <4875c81b$0$18601$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >I wish to pickup weather radar images "as soon as they are ready". >The canadian radar web sites update their images at either 10 or 20 >minute intervals, and their web page link to a different image name >every time. The images become available "a few minutes" after the times >on the images. > > >I'd like to have a DCL a procedure that use CURL to pickup the main >HTML, parse it to find the appropriate image (and then imagemagik to process image to be usable on my mobile phone) > >In a detached process running loginout.exe (aka: DCL), is this only way >to "wake up" at a specific time to do a : > >say my logic determines that I should pickup files 2 minutes after every > 10 (eg: 02, 12, 22, 32, 42, 52) > >$A = F$TIME() >$extract the minutes/hour from it. >$calculate how many minutes between now and the next pickup time >$WAIT that many minutes > >Is this the best way ? If you want to be certain to pick it up at 2 mins, 12 mins, 22 mins, etc., you should calculate the wait period from the current time as there is a good chance that saying $ WAIT 0:10:00 after some start point at *2 mins is going to become skewed over time. Assuming you start your procedure at *:*2:00, you can compute the next time with: $ NEXT_TIME[0,16] := "''F$cvtime("+0-0:10:00.00","ABSOLUTE",)'" $ NEXT_TIME[16,7] := "2:00.00" $ WAIT 'F$DELTA_TIME(F$TIME(),NEXT_TIME) The first line gets the time 10 minutes from the current time. It only saves the DD-MMM-YYYY HH:M portion of the time. The next line adds on a 2:00.00 to make the time DD-MMM-YYYY HH:M2:00.00 The last line computes the delta time for the wait. You can avoid the delta time computation altogether as WAIT will take an absolute time for expiration as well. Thus, you can simply use: $ NEXT_TIME[0,16] := "''F$cvtime("+0-0:10:00.00","ABSOLUTE",)'" $ NEXT_TIME[16,7] := "2:00.00" $ WAIT 'NEXT_TIME -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Copyright 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. 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