INFO-VAX Mon, 04 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 422 Contents: Re: (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: HP buys EDS Re: I need help Re: I need help ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 05:45:14 +0300 From: Juhapekka Tolvanen Subject: Re: (relatively new version of) LaTex on VMS Message-ID: <87zlntpkg5.fsf@juhtolv.dyndns.org> helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > Is anyone using a relatively new version of LaTeX on VMS? If so, > please let me know. How well VMS can act like Unix? If it can do it well, why don't you just download source code of TeX Live and then compile it? -- Juhapekka "naula" Tolvanen * http colon slash slash iki dot fi slash juhtolv "Boku wa ongakuka dentaku katate ni. Tashitari. Hiitari. Sousa shite. Sakkyoku suru. Kono botan oseba ongaku kanaderu." Kraftwerk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:11:57 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <4895f4ea$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <489526d0$0$18579$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, > JF Mezei writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by >>> HP will bode well for VMS? >> HP mentality will flow to EDS, not the other way around. > > As I said in my recent reply to David, EDS employees don't see it > this way. And, apparently neither did the BOD of EDS who approved > the merger. My guess would be that HP and EDS already have the same mentality. There is only one thing that counts: the bottom line. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:10:49 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <4896034b$0$18532$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > was adamant that HP was a hardware company that knew nothing about > software HP knows that to reach the same size as IBM, it needs to grow its services business. Unfortunatly, instead of growing its own service business, it has chosen to buy EDS. This means that its existing service business (which is a combination of HP and what is left of Digital/Tandem) won't get "fixed" to grow since the impetus will be growth through acquisitions, leaving HP with a mismash of not-finely-tuned service businesses. Compare this with IBM that has a far more integrated and coordinated service business. The fact that EDS will remain, initially, a separate subsidiary is an indication that at least HP knows it lacks competant upper management and doesn't wish to infect EDS with its own incometant service/enterprise management. HP has put the right people in the ink and PC business. But it can't seem to be able to fix the upper management of its enterprise and service business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 15:29:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "winston19842005@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: <56e73c5d-ec64-498b-9db8-d9f58d7d9f4c@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 3, 3:10 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > was adamant that HP was a hardware company that knew nothing about > > software > > HP knows that to reach the same size as IBM, it needs to grow its > services business. Unfortunatly, instead of growing its own service > business, it has chosen to buy EDS. > > This means that its existing service business (which is a combination of > HP and what is left of Digital/Tandem) won't get "fixed" to grow since > the impetus will be growth through acquisitions, leaving HP with a > mismash of not-finely-tuned service businesses. > > Compare this with IBM that has a far more integrated and coordinated > service business. The fact that EDS will remain, initially, a separate > subsidiary is an indication that at least HP knows it lacks competant > upper management and doesn't wish to infect EDS with its own incometant > service/enterprise management. This shows how little you know of EDS. Their management is the king of incompetence. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:17:18 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: On Aug 3, 11:29 pm, "winston19842...@yahoo.com" wrote: > On Aug 3, 3:10 pm, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > > was adamant that HP was a hardware company that knew nothing about > > > software > > > HP knows that to reach the same size as IBM, it needs to grow its > > services business. Unfortunatly, instead of growing its own service > > business, it has chosen to buy EDS. > > > This means that its existing service business (which is a combination of > > HP and what is left of Digital/Tandem) won't get "fixed" to grow since > > the impetus will be growth through acquisitions, leaving HP with a > > mismash of not-finely-tuned service businesses. > > > Compare this with IBM that has a far more integrated and coordinated > > service business. The fact that EDS will remain, initially, a separate > > subsidiary is an indication that at least HP knows it lacks competant > > upper management and doesn't wish to infect EDS with its own incometant > > service/enterprise management. > > This shows how little you know of EDS. Their management is the king of > incompetence. Depends what you mean by competent. At least in the UK, EDS management seem perfectly comptetent at winning big deals, both with the government and with the private sector. They seem to do this despite (rather than because of) their UK track record, which at least in the public sector, is far from rosy. I suspect their private sector track record isn't that different, but the private sector is often better at concealing business incompetence to avoid public embarrassment, as senior management generally don't particularly need to be held accountable, except perhaps to their Remuneration Committee. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: matcoknowseds@gmail.com Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: On Aug 2, 8:27=A0pm, billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by > HP will bode well for VMS? =A0EDS may actually be a large scale VMS > user and may have a vested interest in seeing it survive. =A0They > are, at least, a company that understands software and marketing. > The best we can hope for is status quo. Corporate EDS gave up on OpenVMS several years back. Their so-called agile platforms are M$, Solaris, and Linux. Their are pockets of OpenVMS support, but most of the account teams will do whatever possible to get existing customers off OpenVMS. They will pick up existing OpenVMS operations -- at a price. I don't know if you could even convince them to propose a new solution on OpenVMS. > if there is a chance that VMS might be turned over to EDS to maintain and= , yes, maybe even market!! HP is acquiring for the service/outsourcing expertise, not software development. If HP were to turn OpenVMS over to EDS my opinion is that it will only hasten the inevitable demise. Unfortunately, Arne has hit the nail on the head: > My guess would be that HP and EDS already have the same mentality. > > There is only one thing that counts: the bottom line. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:19:20 -0700 From: Joe Bloggs Subject: Re: HP buys EDS Message-ID: On 3 Aug 2008 01:27:35 GMT, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >Anybody here care to comment on wether this recent acquisition by >HP will bode well for VMS? EDS may actually be a large scale VMS >user and may have a vested interest in seeing it survive. They >are, at least, a company that understands software and marketing. > >bill I wondered that myself, recalling that they did DECset maintenance for a time in the late 90's. my impression was that they primarily chased govt and defense contracts, especially those specifiying IBM .... but they're big enough, probably to have their hand in most anything ... 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While Digital or EDS believes the information included in Digital Equipment Corporation or EDS makes no repre- © EDS Defence Limited 1994, 1995, 1996. ****************************** SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]DECSET124.RELEASE_NOTES;1 Compaq or EDS required for possession, use, or copying. Neither Compaq nor EDS shall be liable for technical ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:43:48 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org wrote: > Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, > also how do I get some compilers on my system? > > --Thanks if you are on a graphics console - you need to use a real terminal or emulator or run DecWindows and run DecTerm. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:22:31 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: I need help Message-ID: hamilton_n@encompasserve.org wrote: > Whenever I try to run the edit program, it says must supported crt, > also how do I get some compilers on my system? > > --Thanks You get compilers on your system by using VMSINSTAL. You must purchase or borrow the media. You must also purchase a license for each compiler you wish to use unless you are eligible for hobbyist licenses. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.422 ************************