INFO-VAX Thu, 28 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 470 Contents: All gone (Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a Re: browser based VT emulator? Re: browser based VT emulator? Re: browser based VT emulator? Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? rx2600s on eBay Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Re: strange tcpip issue Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good hom Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good home Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:44:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David B Sneddon Subject: All gone (Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a Message-ID: <4e87d4d9-84a9-409b-86ca-6cbd5bbb00ab@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 12:15 am, Michael Austin wrote: > ...[snip]... > How much to ship the 90TL's to 64064? All this is gone -- no longer available. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: browser based VT emulator? Message-ID: <76509c1c-ba3c-46a2-a133-aa65b47f0483@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Aug 27, 11:08=A0am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm wrote: > Hi. > I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any > of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ? > > Jan-Erik. My employer uses Reflection-web from Attachmate (formerly WRQ). They did not have anything directly available for OpenVMS so we bought 20 licenses to run on a Solaris box. Continuous users still use a pc- based client while occasional users use a browser and Java to connect to the Solaris box; the Solaris box makes a telnet connection to our OpenVMS box. It is very fast and our users have no idea they are being diverted to the Solaris box. I "think" you can use a Windows box if you don't have solaris etc. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:55:28 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.com Subject: Re: browser based VT emulator? Message-ID: This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 00786AAE852574B2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Neil Rieck wrote on 08/27/2008 05:35:58 PM: > On Aug 27, 11:08 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm > wrote: > > Hi. > > I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any > > of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ? > > > > Jan-Erik. >=20 > My employer uses Reflection-web from Attachmate (formerly WRQ). They > did not have anything directly available for OpenVMS so we bought 20 > licenses to run on a Solaris box. Continuous users still use a pc- > based client while occasional users use a browser and Java to connect > to the Solaris box; the Solaris box makes a telnet connection to our > OpenVMS box. >=20 > It is very fast and our users have no idea they are being diverted to > the Solaris box. I "think" you can use a Windows box if you don't have > solaris etc. You "think" correctly. >=20 > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ --=_alternative 00786AAE852574B2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Neil Rieck <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote on 08/= 27/2008 05:35:58 PM:

> On Aug 27, 11:08 am, Jan-Erik S=F6derholm <jan-erik.soderh...@= telia.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi.
> > I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any
> > of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ?
> >
> > Jan-Erik.
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> My employer uses Reflection-web from Attachmate (formerly WRQ). They > did not have anything directly available for OpenVMS so we bought 20
> licenses to run on a Solaris box. Continuous users still use a pc-
> based client while occasional users use a browser and Java to connect<= br> > to the Solaris box; the Solaris box makes a telnet connection to our > OpenVMS box.
>
> It is very fast and our users have no idea they are being diverted to
> the Solaris box. I "think" you can use a Windows box if you don't have
> solaris etc.


You "think" correctly.

>
> Neil Rieck
> Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,
> Ontario, Canada.
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/
--=_alternative 00786AAE852574B2_=-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:44:32 -0400 From: "Earthlink Newfeed" Subject: Re: browser based VT emulator? Message-ID: The Reflections-Web is a Java application. We used it in some work we did where we had a training system on the web and offered access to OpenVMS as part of the course. Since we could not expect people to have an emulator this was a good option. We also offered information on where to download public domain terminal emulators which are not brower based. We were happy with the Reflections-Web emulator. It also went by "Reflections for the Web-VT". I do not have a working version of it right now as it seems like it is sensitive to versions of Java - possibly some detection code in the old version which is not really necessary and probably gone now. Bill Pedersen www: www.ccsscorp.com "Jan-Erik Söderholm" wrote in message news:L5etk.1871$U5.1297@newsb.telia.net... > Hi. > I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any > of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ? > > Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Aug 2008 16:38:17 -0400 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article > , > Neil Rieck writes: >> My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for >> "works 24x7" > Actually, "legacy" is a term the industry has for any system who's > owners have let slide to the point that it is irrelevant to the rest > of the industry. It isn't VMS's detractors who have labeled it > "legacy". That is totally the result of DEC, Compaq and HP's treatment > of the product. In point of fact, when the DECUS Large Systems SIG went away, I was asked to chair a Working Group within the Site, Management & Training SIG to host the remainder of the LCGSIG functions. We very carefully chose to name ourselves the "Legacy Systems Working Group"--and invited participation from other SIGs representing products in similar straits. At the next Symposia, I met someone from DECUS Australia who presented me with a poster for their "Nostalgic and Obsolete Systems SIG". Which name do you suppose sounds more professional to management? Which inspires them to have more care for the lumbering beasts in the back corner of the facility? -- Rich Alderson "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." news@alderson.users.panix.com --Death, of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:21:07 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: <5sednaoXaLeFBijVnZ2dnUVZ_rPinZ2d@comcast.com> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Hi. > > Many years back I used JetForm for printed form > processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). > This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on > a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then > JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" > the application data with the forms and printed > on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the > time. > > As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought > by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. > > Now, is there anything available today similar > to this tools ? > > Jan-Erik. I don't know of any. How about just designing your own form on your own printer? Then ask a printing company to print nice colored lines and tints around where your laser printer will fill in the blanks? This would only work if you wanted preprinted forms in large quantities. No good if you need five copies each of a hundred different forms! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:36:27 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: <48b5acd6$0$12375$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> How complex are the forms ? What I have done in the past was to design it on Freehand/Illustrator. Then I created it in postscript myself using the point positions that I obtained from the graphic program (click on object and gets its info which includes position, size etc). Then, I would add the potscript logic to add my data to the form. At run time, you have a clean poscript that draws the form, and clean logic that takes arguments and puts your data up on the form. the postscript code generated by drawing packages is way too bloated and complex to be usable "manually". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:06:44 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > How complex are the forms ? Not that complex at all, when printed on paper... :-) But the COBOL code uses a lot of hardcoded PCL ESC- sequences. There is a lot of code like : *------------------------------------------------------ * THIN LINES VERTICAL * SET CURSOR POSITION (DOTX 480 DOTY 3800) /720 inch 05 FILLER PIC X VALUE ESC. 05 FILLER PIC X(6) VALUE "&a480H". 05 FILLER PIC X VALUE ESC. 05 FILLER PIC X(7) VALUE "&a3800V". * HORIZONTAL RULE/PATTERN (3 DOTS) 05 FILLER PIC X VALUE ESC. 05 FILLER PIC X(4) VALUE "*c3H". That snippet is from a COBOL source that by itself has close to *650* lines with "FILLER PIC X VALUE ESC." :-) And that is not the only source... It would be quite a lot of work if they'd ask for some major revision of the printouts... > > What I have done in the past was to design it on Freehand/Illustrator. > Then I created it in postscript myself using the point positions that I > obtained from the graphic program (click on object and gets its info > which includes position, size etc). > > Then, I would add the potscript logic to add my data to the form. Today just a few of the 60-70 printers are PS printers, but I'm trying to get "PS" into the picture when getting new or replacing old printers. > > At run time, you have a clean poscript that draws the form, and clean > logic that takes arguments and puts your data up on the form. > > the postscript code generated by drawing packages is way too bloated and > complex to be usable "manually". Yes, I guess so. I'd rather use some packaged solution like the JetForm Design/Merge combo. We'll see what the folks at Flexform (www.flexform.com) says... Thanks anyway ! Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:08:08 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: >> Hi. >> >> Many years back I used JetForm for printed form >> processing on VMS (mVAX 3100/90 at the time). >> This works just OK. JetForm Design was used on >> a Windows PC to "design" the forms and then >> JetForm Merge was run on the VMS box to "merge" >> the application data with the forms and printed >> on standard lasers, usualy HP LaserJet 4's at the >> time. >> >> As far as I have found out, JetForm was bought >> by Adobe and VMS support was dropped some years ago. >> >> Now, is there anything available today similar >> to this tools ? >> >> Jan-Erik. > > I don't know of any. > > How about just designing your own form on your own printer? Then ask a > printing company to print nice colored lines and tints around where your > laser printer will fill in the blanks? > > This would only work if you wanted preprinted forms in large quantities. > No good if you need five copies each of a hundred different forms! Preprinted old-style forms is not an option. They uses simple single-tray printers and more then one "form". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:42:28 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Forms (printed) processing on VMS? Message-ID: <48b610b1$0$12402$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: > Yes, I guess so. > I'd rather use some packaged solution like the JetForm > Design/Merge combo. We'll see what the folks at Flexform > (www.flexform.com) says... One of the advantages of cook-your-own-Postscript is that you can embed some of the display logic in the postcript to separate it from the application. For instance, when printing a statement for a customer, the application could just include a "language" field, and let the postcript then include the form background applicable to that language as well as "word" translatiosn for different codes (eg: for an english customer, the province code "BC" might get printed as "British Columbia" while for a french customer, it would be "Colombie Britanique". When using shrinkwarpped software for forms, you may have less felexibility and may have to include more of the display logic in the application itself. Postscript is a pretty powerful language. For istance, to print a mailing label, postscript code can format the address different ways depending on the country that is specified, and the application doesn't have to worry about building the address label correctly. And while display postscript is gone on VMS, there is ghostscript on VMS, and on a MAC, the "display postscript" functionality is embedded in the OS. With postscript, you can also convert it to .pdf and mail the statements to the customers. I think this is a big plus compared to that PCL stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:01:09 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system go to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CPUs 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. Unfortunately for us foreigners (and Alaskans and Hawaiians) he only ships to the lower 48. disclaimer: I know nothing about this vendor or this item other than what can be read in the eBay listing. I've never dealt with him. Caveat Emptor. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: SMGRTL patch available on ITRC ftp site Message-ID: <0624697d-9a0b-4f8a-bb57-d1ad434038d9@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Aug 27, 7:34=A0am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > =A0 =A0The released patches for Alpha and I64 have been re-released as > =A0 =A0MUPs. And not only that, but if the summary text is correct, the prerequisite of a recent UPDATE ECO kit has been lifted, at least on Alpha V7.3-2 and V8.3 (haven't looked at the others yet). Only the current PCSI patch is needed, so if this is correct the MUP can be installed without even requiring a reboot on those systems which weren't quite current on the UPDATE... Nice. Got a few remote systems thats its hard to get onsites for. Now where's the VAX ECOs? And perhaps a few kits for unsupported versions as long as we're hoping... Rich ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:12:14 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: strange tcpip issue Message-ID: Tim Wilkinson wrote: > OK please be gentle, it must be 15 years since I last touched a vax./vms > > So VMS 7.3 installed and working on a subnetted network. (tcp on a vax. new > to me, it was all decnet and lat in my day). > > > So. my company use the RFC1918 scheme globally the UK has 10.32.0.0/12 > assigned to it. When we get to my home I have a wonderfully generous /28 > subnet mask applied. > > so whilst my dhcp router dishes out address with a netmask of > 255.255.255.240 which is picked up by my PC/linux boxes etc. I issue the > command on my vms system > > > TCPIP> ifconfig -a > LO0: flags=100c89 > inet 127.0.0.1 netmask ff000000 ipmtu 4096 > > QE0: flags=c63 > inet 10.34.220.88 netmask ff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 ipmtu 1500 > > QE1: flags=c43 > inet 192.168.17.125 netmask ffffff00 broadcast 192.168.17.255 ipmtu > 1500 > > TN0: flags=80 > > so interface QE0 which is assigned using dhcp is picking up the correct ip > address, but ignores the subnet mask and assigns the wrong mask of > ff000000, and incorrect broadcast address. > > my pc etc on the same network gives me > Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection: > > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : netgear.com > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 10.34.220.89 > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.240 > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 10.34.220.81 > So I know my router/dhcp configs are right. > > I had seen similar in old systems years ago, where ip stacks did not > properly support subnet masking. But I would have thought DEC would have got > this right. > > Advice please guys how do I fix this > > Or you could hard-code your IP address/subnet info... and not worry about it... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:29 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good hom Message-ID: vaxdecman@aol.com wrote: > Dave, > > How much to ship the following to US zip code 48170? Thanks. > > Greg > > On Aug 19, 7:52 am, David B Sneddon wrote: >> And here is the initial list: >> >> 1 x DECserver 700-16 >> 13 x BA356 SBB P/S (blue) >> 4 x VAXstation 4000 P/S >> >> 2 x HSZ50 >> 2 x DWZZH-05 (in BA356) >> >> Dave > How much to ship the 90TL's to 64064? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:03:34 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good home Message-ID: <8660a3a10808272103l8ab9fbbo6fbfbd2c6aaa0dac@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Michael Austin wrote: > vaxdecman@aol.com wrote: >> >> Dave, >> >> How much to ship the following to US zip code 48170? Thanks. >> >> Greg >> >> On Aug 19, 7:52 am, David B Sneddon wrote: >>> >>> And here is the initial list: >>> >>> 1 x DECserver 700-16 >>> 13 x BA356 SBB P/S (blue) >>> 4 x VAXstation 4000 P/S >>> >>> 2 x HSZ50 >>> 2 x DWZZH-05 (in BA356) >>> >>> Dave >> > > How much to ship the 90TL's to 64064? > probably less than you'd get the same gear on eBay for. The Sneddons are sited in Oz. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:53:23 -0500 From: "***** charles" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: > 128 MB should be enough. It's more than enough for VAX (the minimum used > to be something like 8 MB many years ago). 64MB is the practical minimum > for an Alpha. Don't know what the minimum is for Itanic except that the > Itanic wants more. More RAM is better. I have 192MB on my Alphastation > 200 4/233. good to know. someone is supposed to be sending me some more ram but the process is going slowly. thanks, charles..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:06:17 -0500 From: "***** charles" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: Try these: >>> sho dev a Quantum 4.5G hard drive a Toshiba cdrom 12x scsi scsi controller >>> sho config to much to list/remember it does have a 500MHz alpha cpu no easy way to capture/transfer files to my Internet machine >>> show bootdef_dev ewa0.0.0.11.0 Let me know what you find. Thanks. sorry it took so long. more ram hasn't arrived interest starting to wain. I have hacked it so I can add different oses though. charles..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:11:51 -0500 From: "***** charles" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: "Steven M. Schweda" wrote in message news:08081909073073_20200490@antinode.info... > From: "***** charles" > >> [...] Now I would like to get the latest vms version but >> believe that I have to join some group in order to qualify which >> I don't want to do. > Why not? It's free. Or are you simply unmutual? No it's not, there is a charge. Free went by the wayside.1 >> I did find an 800 type number for ordering > > Whose 800 number? Which 800 number? To long ago to remember found it off the Internet. >> the media kit but the number doesn't let me do what I want. At >> least the media kit was supposed to only be $25. > > Which media kit was that? $30, I thought, for the usual: > > http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/news.php > http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html > The kit was not from the above, it was more like it was directly from hp. that's why my ears were peaked. I had aready seen the $30 price. >> Do you happen >> to know he minimum ram requirement? I only have 128M at >> present. > > The Software Product Description (SPD) should say. As usual, it may > depend on what you expect to do. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ and Search for "spd"? > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/ovms_v831h1_spd.pdf > > The minimum amount of memory required to install, > boot, and log in to an OpenVMS Alpha system is 64 > MB. Additional memory may be required to ensure sat- > isfactory performance for either of the following: > · Particular applications or number of users > · Particular hardware configurations > Refer to specific layered product documentation for their > memory requirements. > > I'd expect performance with 128MB to be pretty poor in many cases. > > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > >> [...] I have 192MB on my Alphastation 200 4/233. > > Yow. I had 768MB in mine, and more would have been better. (Of > course, more memory is almost always better. More than the 2GB max in > my XP1000 systems would be nice, too.) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-info > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:13:48 -0500 From: "***** charles" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: "JF Mezei" wrote in message news:48ab17af$0$1817$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > Re: media kits for the alpha. > > I might be able to accidentally allow you to peek under the table and > FTP a big zip file. (8.3). thanks for the offer. I understand the dec world and the iso world are not always 100% compatible. > However, you would need to either burn it to a CD and boot the alpha > from the CD, or have some exsiting VMS system that could act as boot > server. burn and boot would be my first choice. > You will however need licences for VMS and the layered products, and for > that you need to be a member of "DECUS" (or whatever its name is this > week where you live). It's changed and they are not free anymore. later..... ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.470 ************************