INFO-VAX Thu, 28 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 471 Contents: RE: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA BEST SAP INSTALLATIONS - ANY TYPE Re: browser based VT emulator? Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS RE: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: rx2600s on eBay Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:36:03 -0500 From: "Grealy, Patrick J" Subject: RE: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA Message-ID: <6250203B042D8349A920AA6103830936062C131D@UTHEVS3.mail.uthouston.edu> You might give this a shot. We had a problem when upgrading clients to = Windows XP ServicePack2 a couple of years ago. Clients were able to = connect but sometimes were in two-minute wait state and sometimes = required multiple attempts to map shared drives. Default Windows = Security Policy had changed and Windows firewall had been enabled by = default also - but the final fix which would be easy for you to check = was setting a system logical on the OpenVMS side: PWRK$LR_DISABLE_CLIENT_PING =3D 1 When this solved the problem I added a line to our = sys$startup:pwrk$license_r_start proc. - Pat G. -----Original Message----- From: Bobby [mailto:colemanr7@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:36 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Subject: Re: Advanced Server 7.3B & VISTA On Aug 27, 11:36=A0am, Doug Phillips wrote: > On Aug 27, 9:25=A0am, Bobby wrote: > > > I am currently trying to get a Vista machine (Enterprise edition) to > > connect to Advanced Server 7.3B. When I try to connect with the = usual > > domain\username & password, I get a "Logon unsuccessful... windows = is > > unable to log you on" message. I have tested with the security = policy > > on the Vista machine set to "LAN Manager authentication level =3D = Send > > LM & NTLM - user NTLMv2 if negotiated", but it doesn't work. Nothing > > shows up in the Advanced Server event log to indicate what the = problem > > is (show events), even though I have "failed logon event logging" > > enabled. Multiple attempts disables the account (5 bad password > > attempts are allowed), so the server is being reached and the = username > > is passed correctly, but apparently not the password... ? > > > Any ideas? > > > (p.s. I posted this same message in the ITRC VMS forum.) > > Look in Security Policies (secpol.msc) to see if: > > Domain Member: Digitally Encrypt sign secure channel data (always) - > disabled Thank you for the suggestion. I checked this setting on the Vista machine and also on a XP machine that is working correctly. The XP machine has the setting "enabled", while the Vista machine was "disabled". I enabled the setting on Vista to test and rebooted, but it didn't work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Joeblk <1sapides@googlemail.com> Subject: BEST SAP INSTALLATIONS - ANY TYPE Message-ID: <2d0fb219-f00c-468b-b8ef-e9e0585955a0@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> SAP IDES INSTALLATION We can provide installation service for any type of following SAP IDES \ NON IDES System in your stand alone home Laptop & Desktop, Server and external USB Hard discs for one or combinations of following SAP systems SAP R\3 4.7 EE, SAP ECC 5.0, SAP ECC 6.0 SAP CRM 5.0, SCM 5.0, SAP SRM 5.0, SAP BI 7.0, SAP SEM 6.0, SAP BW 3.1, IS- Utilities IS- Telecommunications IS- Retail IS- Oil IS- Media IS- Healthcare IS- Banking IS- Insurance SAP - Global Trade Services SAP - Internet Sales Solution Manager SAP Netweaver 7.0 (EP 7.0,PI 7.0,BI 7.0, Mobile Infrastructure) SAP Netweaver 2004s both SR2 & SR1 SAP Netweaver 2004 SAP Middleware Connections for ECC,CRM,APO,BW All R\3 systems comes with these core modules SAP HR (Human Resource) SAP FI CO (Finance & Controlling) SAP SD (Sales & Distribution) SAP MM (Materials Management ) SAP PP (Production Planning) We believe in 100 % CUSTOMER SATISFACTION and are dedicated to provide not only QUICK High Quality Service but lot of other intangible benefits and are NOT in just money making business like any TOM, DICK and HARRY so it is ALWAYS WORTH to have one telephonic discussion with our expert advisor before you decide to opt "Cheap Service Provider". Please have a link to this url for more details http://1sapmate.googlepages.com/home ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:30:35 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: browser based VT emulator? Message-ID: Neil Rieck wrote: > On Aug 27, 11:08 am, Jan-Erik Söderholm > wrote: >> Hi. >> I'd just like to ask if anyone has tested any >> of the web (browser) based VT-emulators available ? >> >> Jan-Erik. > > My employer uses Reflection-web from Attachmate (formerly WRQ). They > did not have anything directly available for OpenVMS So it's not a true telnet client ? It must have some special server part to work ? Or, if not, what is the platform specific part ? Jan-Erik. so we bought 20 > licenses to run on a Solaris box. Continuous users still use a pc- > based client while occasional users use a browser and Java to connect > to the Solaris box; the Solaris box makes a telnet connection to our > OpenVMS box. > > It is very fast and our users have no idea they are being diverted to > the Solaris box. I "think" you can use a Windows box if you don't have > solaris etc. > > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, > Ontario, Canada. > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:01:08 +0200 From: Johnny Billquist Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: Richard B. Gilbert skrev: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article , >> koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>> In article , Johnny Billquist >>> writes: >>>> Heck, a PDP-11 provides support for that. >>>> Stack is in D-space. Code is in I-space... If you try to jump to the >>>> stack, you will be executing something, but it won't be from the >>>> stack, unless you decide to map I-space and D-space to the same memory. >>> The PDP-11 was in many ways ahead of its time, but the 11/44 I used >>> was the only one large enough to have different RAM spaces to map >>> I-space and D-space to. >> >> Many of them did. I don't remember for sure but I think everything >> larger >> than the 11/24. I know my 11/44's, 11/73's and 11/93 all do. Don't >> think >> the 11/23 did, but maybe the 11/23+. >> >> I have a book at home with the whole chart of features by processor. >> I'll >> try to take a look tonite if I have time. >> >> bill >> >> > > I believe the Micro 11/23 had I and D spaces. I was responsible for one > briefly. The address space was entirely too limited! We replaced it > with a VAX 8200. No, the 11/23 don't have I/D space support. The 11/23+ atleast supports 4 megs of memory, but still without I/D space. Off my head, the processors supporting I/D space are: 11/44, 11/45, 11/50, 11/53, 11/55, 11/70, 11/73, 11/74, 11/83, 11/84, 11/93 and 11/94. Of these, the 11/53, 11/73, 11/83, 11/84, 11/93 and 11/94 are all based on the J11 chip. The 11/45, 11/50, 11/55, 11/70 and 11/74 are all variants of the KB11 CPU, which then only leaves the 11/44. :-) Of the above machines, all but the 11/45, 11/50 and 11/55 supports 4 megs of memory. In addition to the machines above, the 11/23+ and 11/24 also supports 4 megs of memory. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:37:45 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED5E7F687@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:billg999@cs.uofs.edu] > Sent: August 27, 2008 8:09 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS > > In article f5f688b7389d@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > Neil Rieck writes: > > On Aug 26, 6:44 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > ...snip... > >> I love it when people throw that term "legacy" around to push their > own > >> agendas. > > Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a > > consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy > Computer > > Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry > > sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and > > "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising > >:-) > >> Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in > a > >> polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they > >> prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. > >> > > My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for > > "works 24x7" > > Actually, "legacy" is a term the industry has for any system who's > owners have let slide to the point that it is irrelevant to the rest > of the industry. It isn't VMS's detractors who have labeled it > "legacy". That is totally the result of DEC, Compaq and HP's treatment > of the product. > > bill > > [snip ..] Nope. I am sure everyone on this list has experience with those in their groups who have Wintel promoters who say existing UNIX and/or mainframe systems are legacy and they need to move to "where the rest of the industry is going...". [I did DC strategy engagement at US university and they wanted to replace most of their "legacy" Solaris9 systems with Linux.] And of course, there will be those in some companies that state Unix is the way of the future and hence need to replace those one OS, one bus app legac= y Wintel environments. Its all in the eyes of the beholder or put another way, its all in what OS preferences you like or are familiar with vs. what you would like the futur= e to be. Rather than be seen as hostile or have some OS religion against the existin= g environment, you simply be polite and label the existing system as "legacy" which is a polite way of saying you do not like the existing system because you have other preferences. Sales people love the term "legacy" as it is a means to leverage new sales. :-) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 2008 07:55:40 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: In article , Johnny Billquist writes: > > No, the 11/23 don't have I/D space support. The 11/23+ atleast supports 4 megs > of memory, but still without I/D space. > Off my head, the processors supporting I/D space are: > 11/44, 11/45, 11/50, 11/53, 11/55, 11/70, 11/73, 11/74, 11/83, 11/84, 11/93 and > 11/94. Of course, the siugnificant point is that unless the hardware has some mechanism, the OS kernel can't do anything about executing stack space. The separation of I and D spaces on some PDP-11 models is possible only because physical address space on those models (18 or 22 bit) was larger than virtual address space (always 16 bit). This doesn't apply to a whole lot of 32 bit or 64 bit architectures that tend to have a maximum of 32 bits or 48 bits of physical address space. I'm sitting here on a 32 bit system with 31 bits of RAM space. Separating I and D space won't help, since they'ed both map to within 32 bits of each other. The hardware has no no-execute bit in page protection. There's nothing the kernel can do about that. Now sometimes I run SIMH. And I supposed I could modify SIMH to add a no-execute bit. And then I could modify the VAX VMS kernel to use it. But that's a pretty big patch. And I could give it 33 bits of simulated physical address space, but separating I and D space would be a major hack to VMS. I think I'd be better off writing an I64 emulator for SIMH. But I'm not in the mood to do so. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 2008 13:04:05 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <6hnm25Fn02ovU1@mid.individual.net> In article <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED5E7F687@gvw1158exb.americas.hpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" writes: > -----Original Message----- >> From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:billg999@cs.uofs.edu] >> Sent: August 27, 2008 8:09 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >> Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS >> >> In article > f5f688b7389d@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, >> Neil Rieck writes: >> > On Aug 26, 6:44 am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: >> > ...snip... >> >> I love it when people throw that term "legacy" around to push their >> own >> >> agendas. >> > Me too. When I retire from my current job I`m thinking of starting a >> > consulting business that will me named something like "Legacy >> Computer >> > Company" (now don`t you people steal my idea). That way, idustry >> > sideliners will be over-hearing conversations with "legacy-this" and >> > "legacy-that" and I will get be receiving free advertising >> >:-) >> >> Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in >> a >> >> polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they >> >> prefer is not that which they view as the current direction. >> >> >> > My day-to-day observations tell me that "legacy" is a synonym for >> > "works 24x7" >> >> Actually, "legacy" is a term the industry has for any system who's >> owners have let slide to the point that it is irrelevant to the rest >> of the industry. It isn't VMS's detractors who have labeled it >> "legacy". That is totally the result of DEC, Compaq and HP's treatment >> of the product. >> >> bill >> >> > [snip ..] > > Nope. > > I am sure everyone on this list has experience with those in their groups > who have Wintel promoters who say existing UNIX and/or mainframe > systems are legacy Sorry to disappoint you Kerry, but I have been working with Unix for nearly 30 years and have never heard any Unix refered to as "Legacy". Probably because it continues to move forward with very public new releases in pretty much every flavor. Even the BSD's which make little if any effort to market themselves (unlike Linux, The Hypemeister) are better known and more in the public eye than VMS these days. > and they need to move to "where the rest of the industry > is going...". [I did DC strategy engagement at US university and they > wanted to replace most of their "legacy" Solaris9 systems with Linux.] What's your point? That's Unix to Unix. Seems rather obvious to me that they don't see Unix as "legacy", just Solaris 9. Solaris 9 came out in May of 2002. I can understand wanting to replace it. > > And of course, there will be those in some companies that state Unix is the > way of the future and hence need to replace those one OS, one bus app legac= > y > Wintel environments. I have never heard anyone refer to Wintel as "legacy". When people talk about replacing Wintel it is usually has nothing to do with age or percieved future of the product but more likely cost and/or ideology. > > Its all in the eyes of the beholder or put another way, its all in what OS > preferences you like or are familiar with vs. what you would like the futur= > e > to be. Keep telling yourself that. Unfortunately, it is what the IT industry prefers and sees as the future. And we know what the rankings are for that. > > Rather than be seen as hostile or have some OS religion against the existin= > g > environment, you simply be polite and label the existing system as "legacy" > which is a polite way of saying you do not like the existing system because > you have other preferences. > > Sales people love the term "legacy" as it is a means to leverage new sales. Just one tool for salesdroids. HP's lack of marketing of VMS does much more to help salesdroids eliminate it than anything else. And for those who might still think there is so much hidden VMS use in the government, In connection with my association with DISA I brought up the question about wether or not there was a need/desire to test or update the OpenVMS Security Readiness Review Evaluation Script as the current one on the webpage is dated Jan 28, 2005. I was informed that there was no need to as the intent was to remove mention of it from the DISA Webpage. Interpret that however you wish. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <1ca704f9-de99-4414-b438-f4e0c6e94171@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 27, 11:01=A0pm, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system go > to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CPUs > 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. > > This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. > > Unfortunately for us foreigners (and Alaskans and Hawaiians) he only > ships to the lower 48. > > disclaimer: I know nothing about this vendor or this item other than > what can be read in the eBay listing. I've never dealt with him. Caveat > Emptor. I don't know the vendor either, but I did buy one of these servers from them (unfortunately for me, I paid more than $500 because they didn't add on the Buy-It-Now until recently). They do a fantastic job of packaging and shipping. The server was in a box with that rigid foam sprayed-in to keep it from shifting, then the box was strapped to a pallet and shipped by a freight service. I have powered up the server and it works fine. Still waiting for my OpenVMS v8.3 I64 media that I ordered from HP/DSPP, but I suspect that will work out fine. One thing in the fine print is that there is no DVD with the server, so you'll have to get that elsewhere. Even though I paid more than the current $500 price, I believe it was a fair deal. Others will now get an even better deal (IMHO). It's less than the price of some zx6000 workstation that have sold on eBay, and the rx2600 is on the supported list of servers for OpenVMS (whereas the zx6000 is not). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:27:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: On Aug 27, 11:01=A0pm, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system go > to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CPUs > 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. > > This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. Interesting deal. btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. No live entry that I can readily spot. --- old listing --- AVAILABLE : LA832238 Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLICK GO : Quantity Units Frequency / 500 each Ongoing Price Per Unit Funds / 300.00 each USD Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card --------------- fwiw, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:27:21 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: FrankS wrote: > a fair deal. Others will now get an even better deal (IMHO). It's > less than the price of some zx6000 workstation that have sold on eBay, > and the rx2600 is on the supported list of servers for OpenVMS > (whereas the zx6000 is not). In defense of the zx6000 it's basically an rx2600 without the management processor and it runs VMS just fine even if not officially supported. Having the management processor is nice though as it gives you a remote console (via telnet) capability. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:00:11 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <00A7EC85.B46864E1@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: >On Aug 27, 11:01=A0pm, Malcolm Dunnett >wrote: >> If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system go >> to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CPUs >> 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. >> >> This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. > >Interesting deal. > >btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through >recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. No >live entry that I can readily spot. > >--- old listing --- >AVAILABLE : LA832238 >Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA > To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLICK GO : >Quantity Units Frequency / 500 each Ongoing >Price Per Unit Funds / 300.00 each USD >Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc >Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No >hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb >8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most >servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI >scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card >--------------- >fwiw, >Hein. I'm tempted... -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: On Aug 28, 10:00=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: > > > > > > >On Aug 27, 11:01=3DA0pm, Malcolm Dunnett > >wrote: > >> If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system = go > >> to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CP= Us > >> 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. > > >> This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. > > >Interesting deal. > > >btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through > >recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. =A0No > >live entry that I can readily spot. > > >--- old =A0listing --- > >AVAILABLE : LA832238 > >Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA > > =A0 =A0 =A0To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLICK = GO : > >Quantity =A0Units =A0Frequency =A0 / 500 each Ongoing > >Price Per Unit Funds =A0/ 300.00 each USD > >Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc > >Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No > >hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb > >8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most > >servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI > >scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card > >--------------- > >fwiw, > >Hein. > > I'm tempted... > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= SIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= ction > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= right > notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - QuickSpec for the 2600 tells that 3 OSs are supported: HP-UX, Win 2003 Enterprise and Linux. No OpenVMS. Why? http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11716_na/11716_na.PDF ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <4d355316-7fb2-42b0-942e-fc3aca2a6bdf@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Aug 28, 10:52=A0am, DaveG wrote: > On Aug 28, 10:00=A0am, VAXman- =A0@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > > > > > > > In article , Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: > > > >On Aug 27, 11:01=3DA0pm, Malcolm Dunnett > > >wrote: > > >> If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS syste= m go > > >> to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 = CPUs > > >> 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. > > > >> This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. > > > >Interesting deal. > > > >btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through > > >recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. =A0No > > >live entry that I can readily spot. > > > >--- old =A0listing --- > > >AVAILABLE : LA832238 > > >Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA > > > =A0 =A0 =A0To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLIC= K GO : > > >Quantity =A0Units =A0Frequency =A0 / 500 each Ongoing > > >Price Per Unit Funds =A0/ 300.00 each USD > > >Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc > > >Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No > > >hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb > > >8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most > > >servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI > > >scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card > > >--------------- > > >fwiw, > > >Hein. > > > I'm tempted... > > > -- > > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)T= MESIS(dot)COM > > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional pro= tection > > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be.= (NJSC) > > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet articl= e outside > > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this co= pyright > > notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > QuickSpec for the 2600 tells that 3 OSs are supported: =A0HP-UX, Win > 2003 Enterprise and Linux. > > No OpenVMS. =A0Why? > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11716_na/11716_na.PDF- Hide= quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Ooops. One page 3 its not listed under Standard System Features, but the above are. One page 2, it is listed (v8.2 minimum version). Sorry for the ready, fire, aim message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:01:15 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <00A7EC8E.3CB9DFFA@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , DaveG writes: >On Aug 28, 10:00=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> In article ..com>, Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Aug 27, 11:01=3DA0pm, Malcolm Dunnett >> >wrote: >> >> If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system = >go >> >> to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 CP= >Us >> >> 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. >> >> >> This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. >> >> >Interesting deal. >> >> >btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through >> >recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. =A0No >> >live entry that I can readily spot. >> >> >--- old =A0listing --- >> >AVAILABLE : LA832238 >> >Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA >> > =A0 =A0 =A0To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLICK = >GO : >> >Quantity =A0Units =A0Frequency =A0 / 500 each Ongoing >> >Price Per Unit Funds =A0/ 300.00 each USD >> >Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc >> >Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No >> >hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb >> >8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most >> >servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI >> >scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card >> >--------------- >> >fwiw, >> >Hein. >> >> I'm tempted... >> >> -- >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 =A0VAXman(at)TME= >SIS(dot)COM >> >> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional prote= >ction >> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (= >NJSC) >> >> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article = >outside >> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copy= >right >> notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >QuickSpec for the 2600 tells that 3 OSs are supported: HP-UX, Win >2003 Enterprise and Linux. > >No OpenVMS. Why? Because HP can't spell VMS -- even if you spot them the V, the M and the S. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Aug 2008 11:43:11 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: In article , Malcolm Dunnett writes: > > Having the management processor is nice though as it gives you a remote > console (via telnet) capability. I've always thought having the console on the network to be a fairly scary idea. Physical access controls often exist so that not everyone can access the console. I'd look real hard at my network security before I ever attached a console to it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:40:16 -0400 From: "David" Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: <5lBtk.17781$XB4.8942@bignews9.bellsouth.net> What happens when it dies after 45 days? Just chuck it away and get another one? I am thinking about buying a few racks of these then offering them with disks and graphics etc. Maybe even preinstall VMS on them too. But we would have to charge considerably more to include a 12 mth warranty etc. And... the most important question.. how many people out there want an Itanium? Comments? -- David B Turner ============================================= Island Computers US Corp PO Box 86 Tybee GA 31328 Toll Free: 1-877 636 4332 x201, Mobile x251 Email: dturner@islandco.com International & Local: (001)- 404-806-7749 Fax: 912 786 8505 Web: www.islandco.com ============================================= wrote in message news:00A7EC8E.3CB9DFFA@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article > , DaveG > writes: >>On Aug 28, 10:00=A0am, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>> In article >>> >..com>, Hein RMS van den Heuvel writes: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >On Aug 27, 11:01=3DA0pm, Malcolm Dunnett >>> >wrote: >>> >> If any of you hobbyists (or others) want to run an Itanium VMS system >>> >> = >>go >>> >> to eBay and enter 200249647480 into the search box (rx2600 Dual 1.5 >>> >> CP= >>Us >>> >> 10GB memory, no disks). Should make a pretty sweet VMS server. >>> >>> >> This guy has 50 of them for sale with a BIN price of $500 each. >>> >>> >Interesting deal. >>> >>> >btw.. it appears that the same servers were available through >>> >recycle.net as perthe following entry from the google _cache_. =A0No >>> >live entry that I can readily spot. >>> >>> >--- old =A0listing --- >>> >AVAILABLE : LA832238 >>> >Shipping Pt. / Location: USA, ST. PAUL MINNESOTA >>> > =A0 =A0 =A0To contact this listing, ENTER YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS AND CLICK >>> > = >>GO : >>> >Quantity =A0Units =A0Frequency =A0 / 500 each Ongoing >>> >Price Per Unit Funds =A0/ 300.00 each USD >>> >Used Desktop Computers - H/P servers. RX2600 A6873A Intanium II proc >>> >Dual 1.5ghz memory 10gb 8x1gb & 4x512mb 3 Hard drive caddies but No >>> >hard drives RX2600 A6870A Intanium II proc Dual 1.GHz memory 10gb >>> >8x1gb & 4x512mb DVD drive 3 Hard drive caddies but No hard drives Most >>> >servers contain the following options; 1x quadrics qm500-a card 1x LSI >>> >scsi controller a6829-60001 1x Management Card >>> >--------------- >>> >fwiw, >>> >Hein. >>> >>> I'm tempted... >>> >>> -- >>> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker =A0 =A0 >>> =A0VAXman(at)TME= >>SIS(dot)COM >>> >>> ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional >>> prote= >>ction >>> no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. >>> (= >>NJSC) >>> >>> Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. =A0Publication of _this_ usenet article >>> = >>outside >>> of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this >>> copy= >>right >>> notice, disclaimer and quotations.- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >>QuickSpec for the 2600 tells that 3 OSs are supported: HP-UX, Win >>2003 Enterprise and Linux. >> >>No OpenVMS. Why? > > Because HP can't spell VMS -- even if you spot them the V, the M and the > S. > > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional > protection > no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. > (NJSC) > > Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article > outside > of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this > copyright > notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:54:52 -0700 From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: rx2600s on eBay Message-ID: DaveG wrote: > > QuickSpec for the 2600 tells that 3 OSs are supported: HP-UX, Win > 2003 Enterprise and Linux. > > No OpenVMS. Why? > Stealth Marketing? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:14:08 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: In article , "***** charles" wrote: > "JF Mezei" wrote in message > news:48ab17af$0$1817$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > > Re: media kits for the alpha. > > > > I might be able to accidentally allow you to peek under the table and > > FTP a big zip file. (8.3). > > thanks for the offer. I understand the dec world and the iso world are > not always 100% compatible. > > > However, you would need to either burn it to a CD and boot the alpha > > from the CD, or have some exsiting VMS system that could act as boot > > server. > > burn and boot would be my first choice. > This is what worked for me on my Mac (an iBook - other models may need a slightly different incantation). sudo ./cdrecord -dev=IODVDServices vms-cds/alpha083.iso Sorry, I can't remember where I got cdrecord, but it came as part of a package called cdrtools. -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:14:34 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:17 -0700, ***** charles wrote: > > > Try these: > >>>> sho dev > > a Quantum 4.5G hard drive > a Toshiba cdrom 12x scsi > scsi controller > >>>> sho config > > to much to list/remember it does have a 500MHz alpha cpu > no easy way to capture/transfer files to my Internet machine connect a cable from COM1 port to, e.g. a pc and run hyperterm then you can cut and past the info > >>>> show bootdef_dev > > ewa0.0.0.11.0 This means it is booting of the ethernet port > > Let me know what you find. Thanks. > > sorry it took so long. more ram hasn't arrived > interest starting to wain. > I have hacked it so I can add different oses though. > > > charles..... > > > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.471 ************************