INFO-VAX Sat, 25 Oct 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 576 Contents: Banana Republic (was Re: OpenVMS Book Wins award) Re: Can I get a basic compiler without a license? Re: Can I get a basic compiler without a license? Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Re: History of the qio efn issue Re: History of the qio efn issue Re: History of the qio efn issue Re: History of the qio efn issue Re: History of the qio efn issue Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets Re: Restricting Access to TCP/IP and DECnet Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on RE: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:06:36 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Banana Republic (was Re: OpenVMS Book Wins award) Message-ID: Hi Mark, > (I purchased it when AU$ was almost at US$ parity :-) Aaah, it seems like only weeks ago :-( Cheers Richard Maher PS. Just in case you don't subscribe to the WHATWG mailing list, do you have any interest in, or opinions on the following: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shannon" To: "WHAT working group" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: [whatwg] WebSocket and proxies > In the process of testing my WebSocket proposal I discovered the CONNECT > method has a major restriction. Most proxies disable CONNECT to anything > but port 443. > > The following is from "Squid and the Blowfish": > ------------------ > It is very important that you stop CONNECT type requests to non-SSL > ports. The CONNECT method allows data transfer in any direction at any > time, regardless of the transport protocol used. As a consequence, a > malicious user could telnet(1) to a (very) badly configured proxy, enter > something like: > ... snip example ... > and end up connected to the remote server, as if the connection was > originated by the proxy. > ------------------- > > I verified that Squid and all public proxies I tried disable CONNECT by > default to non-SSL ports. It's unlikely many internet hosts will have > 443 available for WebSockets if they also run a webserver. It could be > done with virtual IPs or dedicated hosts but this imposes complex > requirements and costs over alternatives like CGI. > > The availability and capabilities of the OPTIONS and GET protocols also > varied from proxy to proxy. The IETF draft related to TLS > (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-http-upgrade-05) has this to say: > > ------------------- > 3.2 Mandatory Upgrade > > If an unsecured response would be unacceptable, a client MUST send > an OPTIONS request first to complete the switch to TLS/1.0 (if > possible). > > OPTIONS * HTTP/1.1 > Host: example.bank.com > Upgrade: TLS/1.0 > Connection: Upgrade > ------------------- > > So according to this draft spec OPTIONS is the only way to do a > *mandatory* upgrade of our connection. Once again this failed in testing > > ------------------- > => OPTIONS * HTTP/1.1 > => Proxy-Connection: keep-alive > => Connection: Upgrade > => Upgrade: WebSocket/1.0 > => Host: warriorhut.org:8000 > => > <= HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request > <= Server: squid/3.0.STABLE8 > -------------------- > > Other proxies gave different errors or simply returned nothing. The > problem may be related to the Upgrade and Connection headers rather than > OPTIONS, since I had similar issues using Connection: Upgrade with GET. > > I had the most success using GET without a Connection: Upgrade header. > It seems that the proxy thinks the header is directed at it so it does > not pass it on to the remote host. In many cases it will abort the > connection. Using the Upgrade: header without Connection allows the > Upgrade header through to the actual websocket service. > > It seems to me that whatever we try in many cases the connection will be > silently dropped by the proxy and the reasons will be unclear due to the > lack of error handling. There seems to be a wide variation in proxy > behaviour for uncommon operations. I suppose proxy developers could fix > these issues but whether a significant rollout could be achieved before > HTML5 is released is questionable. > > Given that an asynchronous connection cannot be cached the only reasons > remaining for going through a proxy are anonymity and firewall > traversal. Automatically bypassing the users proxy configuration to > solve the issues above has the potential to break both of these. It > would be a significant breach of trust for a UA to bypass the users > proxy and some networks only allow connections via a proxy (for security > and monitoring). > > It seems that we're stuck between a rock and hard place here. In light > of this I reiterate my earlier suggestion that the time could be better > spent providing guidelines for communication via an asynchronous CGI > interface. This would allow reuse of existing port 80 and 443 web > services which would resolve the cross-domain issues (the CGI can relay > the actual service via a backend connection) and most of the proxy > issues above (since proxy GET and CONNECT are more reliable on these ports). > > Shannon > "Mark Daniel" wrote in message news:01110d0c$0$20616$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com... > yyyc186 wrote: > > The Minimum You Need to Know About Service Orieted Architecture by > > Roland Hughes > > > > Award-Winner in the Business: Technology/Computers/Internet category > > of the National Best Books 2008 Awards, sponsored by USA Book News > > Congratulations Roland! > > (I purchased it when AU$ was almost at US$ parity :-) > > > You can find this book in Island Computer's Web store. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mt@theescapers.com Subject: Re: Can I get a basic compiler without a license? Message-ID: <2a4f9a10-5eb0-43b5-9d40-27ca7eebed88@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Oct 22, 5:04=A0pm, Nolan Hamilton wrote: > I dont want to spend 50 dollars a year for Connect/Encompass > membership for a hobbyist license. =A0I really just need a basic > compiler and possibly DECwindows. =A0Any Ideas? Hi Nolan, You could give GCC a try, it might be enough, it might not, but it's worth a try, and free. You could also try to write to Encompass and beg a free hobbyist license, obviously they're doing a valuable job for a paltry $50, but they might see the value in encouraging younger users to use VMS. Cheers Garry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Can I get a basic compiler without a license? Message-ID: <8f6dbb32-4a35-460f-8055-f4cc2cc39c96@j68g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Oct 24, 3:01=A0pm, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <32895960-102c-4022-a279-5a074725b...@f77g2000hsf.googlegroups= .com>, FrankS writes: > > > > > I don't have the info, but wasn't there a way to get free access to > > some OpenVMS systems for development, testing, and/or hacking > > purposes, someplace? =A0Like maybe HP? =A0Deathrow? > > > Maybe someone else can fill in the details. > > =A0 =A0Eisner, VAX6000, Deathrow, HP test drive systems, ... > > =A0 =A0Many come to mind. =A0What you are allowed to "hack" will vary, in > =A0 =A0most cases you cannot get a privileged account. On www.openvms,org there is a list on the front page that says Free VMS Accounts: Deathrow Public OpenVMS Cluster Encompasserve Polarhome Fafner Poetry Hacklab Marway.Org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:13:04 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Enhancing DCL, was: Re: How do I add 2 letters to a long Message-ID: <00A81973.7A021851@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , Rob Brown writes: >On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 at 11:17 -0700, AEF wrote: > >> $ TYPE RECA.COM >> $ pipe recall/out=x.lis ! ; search x.lis sea >> $ @RECA >> $ DIR/SIZE X.LIS >> %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found >> $ > >I don't remember all that has gone on in the past on this thread, but >as I recall RECALL/OUT in a command file does not create an output >file. It does not on Eisner and it does not on my 7.1 system. Did >anybody ever say that this had been made to work? I wrote a DCL program to do it. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:49:32 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: <490227d4$0$12515$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> IanMiller wrote: > In some version of VMS a special event flag (number 128) was invented > as a better answer. Which VMS engineer has the patent for that invention ? Does he get royalties whenever someone uses it ? :-) :-) :-) ;-) Seriously tough, prior to this invention, was "128" blocked from the SYS$GETEF service, or was the later able to give a caller that flag number ? AKA: if you run a new application that uses the 128 flag onto an old version of VMS, it is possible that $GETEF will give the application a flag number 128 at which point, there would be a conflict because the application would use 128 as a real flag (obtained via $GETEF) as well as using it as a NOOP ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:15:12 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: <00A81984.89CAA87D@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <490227d4$0$12515$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >IanMiller wrote: > >> In some version of VMS a special event flag (number 128) was invented >> as a better answer. > >Which VMS engineer has the patent for that invention ? Does he get >royalties whenever someone uses it ? :-) :-) :-) ;-) > >Seriously tough, prior to this invention, was "128" blocked from the >SYS$GETEF service, or was the later able to give a caller that flag number ? > >AKA: if you run a new application that uses the 128 flag onto an old >version of VMS, it is possible that $GETEF will give the application a >flag number 128 at which point, there would be a conflict because the >application would use 128 as a real flag (obtained via $GETEF) as well >as using it as a NOOP ? The scheduling state changes take place as if an event flag was set but there is an ignore on actually setting a flag. I'd have to get out the source listings to verify it but I believe that there'd be checks in services pre-EFN$C_ENF that would cause a an error to be returned to the caller. These changes allow event flag waits to function in multi-threaded applications. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 2008 16:23:42 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > > Or use LIB$GET_EF and associated routines. Of course your whole program > has to be coded to get all its efns from LIB$GET_EF or those that > LIB$GET_EF will never give you. Every time I used LIB$GET_EF, it told me all the local EFNs are in use, even if that's all the program did. We found you first have to tell the RTL which local EFNs to consider free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:47:25 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: >IanMiller wrote: >> In some version of VMS a special event flag (number 128) was invented >> as a better answer. >Seriously tough, prior to this invention, was "128" blocked from the >SYS$GETEF service, or was the later able to give a caller that flag number ? Perhaps someone with an old version of VMS could tell us for sure, but I'd bet the mortgage it would just give the same %SYSTEM-F-ILLEFC error as any other out-of-range event flag number, like -1, or 123456. EFN 128 was chosen simply because it was the next one available. 0-63 are "normal" event flags, and 64-127 are common event flags, in 2 clusters that can be shared between processes. (since they come in clusters of 32, I wonder if any other EF in the 5th cluster, other than 128, "do" anything. But I don't wonder enough to try) >AKA: if you run a new application that uses the 128 flag onto an old >version of VMS, it is possible that $GETEF will give the application a >flag number 128 at which point, there would be a conflict because the >application would use 128 as a real flag (obtained via $GETEF) as well >as using it as a NOOP ? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 02:10:33 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: History of the qio efn issue Message-ID: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: >> >> Or use LIB$GET_EF and associated routines. Of course your whole program >> has to be coded to get all its efns from LIB$GET_EF or those that >> LIB$GET_EF will never give you. > Every time I used LIB$GET_EF, it told me all the local EFNs are in > use, even if that's all the program did. We found you first have to > tell the RTL which local EFNs to consider free. Works OK for me. int main() { int status,i,j; for (i=0;i<100;i++) { status = lib$get_ef(&j); printf("ef = %d\n",j); if (!(status&1)) return status; } return 1; } It does consider low-numbered EFs to be already "reserved" until/unless you explicitly free them, but not all of them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets Message-ID: <6250f4db-0614-4a86-be20-982ef60eca84@u46g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Oct 23, 4:49 pm, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On Oct 23, 4:27 pm, AEF wrote: > : > > > I will primarily have just one large file on this disk at any given > : > > disk? (For those of you who are too young to remember, these disks are > > 2 GB in size. Or more accurately: 4110480 TOTAL BLOCKS.) > > I'm old enough... 7200 rpm, narrow scsi, big then, very small now. > You are better of with a $99 500GB USB drive if you can hook that up! > > > OK, so I was thinking of large value for /CLUSTER. > > Yeah sure... like 512. > > > large value for /EXTEND, maybe 10000 > > Certainly, line 64000 Wait a minute. Doesn't this mean that the extend value would be 512*64000=32768000 blocks? This is larger than the disk. Maybe I should leave the EXTENSION value at its default of 5 and specify a huge cluster size of 10000, 20000, or 40000 (has to be .LE. the size of the disk, which is 4110480 blocks). BTW, the File Applications manual says that a cluster may or may not be contiguous. I assume this means that a cluster may or may not span two adjacent tracks, no? > > > small value for /HEADERS > Sure... 100? On further though, I may as well leave it at its default of 16. > > medium value for /MAXIMUM_FILES > > Sure... 1000? Someone pointed out that the index file bitmap contains one bit per file header so that I may as well use 4096. It shouldn't really matter much. > > And maybe add /INDEX=BEG OK. The qualifier /INDEX=BEGINNING means the outermost cylinders, right? Just curious. > > > What do y'all think? Is it even worth bothering with? > > I would, but I would not expect much from it other then no longer > having the think whether I should have tweaked it some. :-). Piece of > mind. Well, I think the EXTENSION value (measured in blocks) is important, at least. > > Hein. Thanks! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:40:39 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: INIT params for disk to build on-disk save sets Message-ID: <034d79bf$0$2152$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> HELP INIT and go though each parameter to see if it would make sense to tune it manually. /CLUSTER_FACTOR is also one you could grow. Can anyone provide how this would be limited ? (buffer allocations ?) /EXTENTION is an obvious one and /MAXIMUM_FILES + /HEADERS (this might require some discussion on C.O.V. since you are likely to have a very small number of files, but possibly a larger number of headers if the files are extended a lot while they are being written to). there is also /DIRECTORIES which is used to calculate the size of 000000.dir But you should also look into "older" parameters if you have an older VMS version such as /ACCESSED and /WINDOW . These two were primitive caching parameters and for a small number of files, you could end up caching the disk's directory structure and file pointers in memory if those are large enough. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:37:55 -0800 From: glen herrmannsfeldt Subject: Re: Restricting Access to TCP/IP and DECnet Message-ID: PacoLinux wrote: (snip) >>>Is it possible to restrict access to TCP/IP (5.1) and DECnet (IV) on a >>>per-user basis? In other words I would like someone to be able to access my >>>machine, but not to go from that machine to anywhere else on the network. (snip) > -> I'm not aware of a way to do this in UN*X, either, without breaking > -> almost the entire system. > You can use a restricted shell : > http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#The-Restricted-Shell I believe it can be done with the restricted shell, but it still isn't easy. You have to give the user a read only directory, otherwise executable files can be loaded and executed. I believe rsh restricts cd and the ability to execute files by path, such as /tmp/xyz. You then need to supply commands that do what the user is supposed to be allowed to do. chroot helps a lot, too. -- glen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:13:43 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: <49029CF7.61E15F7@spam.comcast.net> FrankS wrote: > [snip] > The SELECT (or CASE) statement is a shortcut for multiple IFs or IF/ > ELSEIFs. And so on. You can express all of these so-called > structured constructs using just labels and GOTOs, and IFs. > > So, go out there and start writing structured DCL. It can be done. I've been doing just that for years, and even taught it in he hands-on DCL Programming Lab I used to give at DECUS, et al. Now, I'm learning ksh93... D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 00:39:46 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Selective record extraction/copy? Message-ID: <4902a4be$0$1559$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> David J Dachtera wrote: > Now, I'm learning ksh93... Which reminds me. Yesterday, while looking at the library setup in front of the supermarket checkout aisle, I noticed a cover page title which surprised me. It seems that Brad Pitt no longer wants to mary Angelina Jolie because she has allegedly had a love affair with someone else. I tried $HELP BRAD_PITT but VMS 8.3 doesn't yet have any information about this. I was under the impression that the two had married some time ago ? Or are they just together with all sorts of adopted kids ? It goes to show, when one is too focused on VMS, one looses focus on the truly important issues of this world :-) :-) :-) :-) Hopefully, next week, they will reveal that Jolie's love interest is non other than Jennifer Aniston. This would complete the story about that love triangle those serious publications at checkout counters have been covering for years. Also, since it is mostly men that do the grocery shopping, how come the magazines are mostly for women ? Shouldn't the check-out aisles have magazines such as Playboy , Sports Illustrated, Popular Science and Mad ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:05:56 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <00A81972.7A9BF5C7@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <9smMk.54833$vX2.47090@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "David Turner, islandco.com" writes: >Imagine how the image would look with8 itanics in a rack with 3TB disk array >It would look like a lame little server setup for a local elementary school >The big vaxen and Ra series disks did and still do look very impressive >I saw an array (SA482) on some Steven Segal movie the other day (with a >limey Michael Caine as the bad guy) > >Come to think of it, why are the Bad Guys always English in American movies? >I am English and I personally think I'm a really nice person.... nay, >extremely nice... Yeah, what's with that? All of my English friends are very nice; however, the English weren't portrayed as a particulary nice bunch in the film "The Patriot". ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:14:05 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <00A81973.9E4A6820@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >In article <6me0c6Ffv20iU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >> >> Yes, but was it a disk drive or a drum drive? > > DASD. ROTFLMFAO! -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:55:52 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <4902294f$0$12515$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> David Turner, islandco.com wrote: > Come to think of it, why are the Bad Guys always English in American movies? > I am English and I personally think I'm a really nice person.... nay, > extremely nice... In "A fish called Wanda", I would say the bad guys are americans. (especially the character played by Kevin Klein). Ooops, that wasn't an american movie... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:17:01 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <00A81984.CAEAE806@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <4902294f$0$12515$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >David Turner, islandco.com wrote: > >> Come to think of it, why are the Bad Guys always English in American movies? >> I am English and I personally think I'm a really nice person.... nay, >> extremely nice... > >In "A fish called Wanda", I would say the bad guys are americans. >(especially the character played by Kevin Klein). > >Ooops, that wasn't an american movie... John Cleese played the barrister (lawyer) and, English or American, lawyers are always bad people. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:28:39 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <9D02E14BC0A2AE43A5D16A4CD8EC5A593ED76A10B1@GVW1158EXB.americas.hpqcorp.net> > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Wilkinson [mailto:tjw@.twsoft.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 11:03 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on > > > [snip..] > > Now for another lesson from them systems. Each had 1/2" tape drives and > we > had a problem reading tapes from 1 to the other, the technician decided > the > problem was a result of an alignment/speed problem and reset the > heads/motor > etc. We then discovered that we were now unable to read archives tapes > of > our cad parts and the tech was unable to undo his realignment. > > Talking of alignment, when was the last time anyone used a floppy > alignment > disc/scope? > Or Magna-see graphite particles on a tape to look for alignment issues? :-) There have been cases where a head had to be manually un-aligned due to tapes being created with out of alignment heads. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2008 00:19:02 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VMS SIG discovers what Billy really relies on Message-ID: <6mf6vmFgglgoU1@mid.individual.net> In article <00A81973.9E4A6820@sendspamhere.org>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: >>In article <6me0c6Ffv20iU3@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >>> >>> Yes, but was it a disk drive or a drum drive? >> >> DASD. > > ROTFLMFAO! Why? I don't see anything funny about this? bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:07:21 -0500 From: BRAD@rabbit.turquoisewitch.com (Brad Hamilton) Subject: Re: Who is left at VMS engineering ? Message-ID: In article <8660a3a10810232218m78de8169i8b0bc3057e8c2257@mail.gmail.com>, William Webb wrote: >On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Richard B. Gilbert > wrote: >> Comcast has decided it does not want to provide access to newsgroups as part >> of "High Speed Internet" service. They want me to get it from some third >> party for more money! >> >> It DOES seem like a conspiracy! >> > >Only if you're paranoid. > >Subscribe to Info-VAX. > >That's what it's there for. > The only problem that I can see with Info-VAX is that sometimes posts don't get seen in Info-VAX - a large number of posts during the SMG "fun" this summer were not available for viewing on Info-VAX, but were available via (cough) Google Groups, or through "regular" newsreaders. Info-VAX is OK if your only access to the 'Net is via email. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.576 ************************