X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.misc: 129 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site simpact.uucp Path: simpact!crash!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!ucsdhub!sdcsvax!ucsd!ucbvax!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!unmvax!polyslo!steve Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: question about bitnet addresses Message-ID: <10447@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> From: steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Steve DeJarnett) Date: 19 Apr 89 20:01:10 GMT Reply-To: steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Steve DeJarnett) References: <292@ontek.UUCP> Organization: Lab Rat Rumpus Room -- Cal Poly SLO Lines: 34 In article <292@ontek.UUCP> mikey@ontek.UUCP (Mike Lee) writes: >I am sitting at a machine (Sun/4, running 4.0) connected (via a modem) >to UUNET. That is the only outside connection. I would like to send >mail to someone on BITNET. He gave me his address in the form of >JOEBLOW@UCXXABCD. How should I address mail to him in such a way that >there is a flying chance in heck that it might reach my friend Joe? Well, since you talk directly to uunet, you're in good shape. I don't know this for certain, but I suspect that uunet is smart enough to forward BITNET mail, provided it can tell it's destined for BITNET. To do that, use an address that looks like the following: mail uunet!ucxxabcd.BITNET!jowblow If your system can deal with domain-style addressing, then: mail joeblow%ucxxabcd.BITNET@uunet.uu.net What will happen is that uunet will forward the mail along to the nearest (or easiest-to-reach BITNET<->Internet gateway -- probably cunyvm.cuny.edu). If that none of this works, then you can brute-force the routing by doing: mail uunet!joeblow%ucxxabcd.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Hope this helps. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Steve DeJarnett | Smart Mailers -> steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU | | Computer Systems Lab | Dumb Mailers -> ..!ucbvax!voder!polyslo!steve | | Cal Poly State Univ. |------------------------------------------------| | San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 | BITNET = Because Idiots Type NETwork | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.misc: 126 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site simpact.uucp Path: simpact!crash!ncr-sd!hp-sdd!ucsdhub!sdcsvax!ucsd!rutgers!mit-eddie!uw-beaver!cornell!vax5!ut6y Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: question about bitnet addresses Message-ID: <18399@vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU> From: ut6y@vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU Date: 19 Apr 89 14:59:51 GMT Reply-To: ut6y@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Uncle Mikey (Michael Scott Shappe)) Sender: news@vax5.CIT.CORNELL.EDU References: <292@ontek.UUCP> Organization: Not in my apartment, there isn't. Keywords: Gateways and Yaks and other amazing creatures. Summary: UUNET/UUCP to BITNET Lines: 42 ANyway.... UUCP'ers trying to get to BITNET have to pass through at least one gateway, and probably two.... ... You could try: ...uunet!cunyvm.cuny.edu!NAME@ADDRESS or uunet!cunyvm.cuny.edu!address.bitnet!name or, if you prefer full-domain style addressing: NAME%ADDRESS.BITNET%CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU@UUNET.UUCP for the double gate method. This goes UUCP to InterNet to BITNET, but all the connections are reliable both ways..that is, the recipient ought to be able to reply to you with that path. The single-gate method would work like this, if I remember correctly, which I probably don't. ...psuvax!NAME@ADDRESS or psuvax!address.bitnet!name or NAME%ADDRESS.BITNET@PSUVAX.UUCP The problem with this method is that PSUVM, the BITNET side of the PennState UUCP gateway, does NOT know about all UUCP nodes, and any mail that it doesn't know about, rather than feeding the mail to a site that DOES know, which would make sense, it sends it to the bit bucket. Therefore, there's a good chance that your recipient would not be able to reply to you through PSUVM. All in all, going through UUNET and CUNYVM is proably safest.... If CUNYVM doesn't work, try CORNELLC.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (but don't tell them I told you so :-). ______________________________________________________________________________ "When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse,| The Dread Pirate Mikey Out of the corner of my eye, | Mike Shappe I turned to look but it was gone, | mshappe@vax1.cit.cornell. I cannot put my finger on it now, | .edu The child is grown, the dream is gone. | uunet!cornell!vax1!mshappe And I have become comfortably numb..." | MSHAPPE@CRNLVAX1 -- Pink Floyd | 607/277-6461 ______________________________________________________________________________ X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.misc: 130 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site simpact.uucp Path: simpact!crash!ncr-sd!ncrcae!ece-csc!ncsuvx!gatech!uflorida!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!unmvax!polyslo!steve Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: question about bitnet addresses Message-ID: <10451@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> From: steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Steve DeJarnett) Date: 19 Apr 89 23:00:59 GMT Reply-To: steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU (Steve DeJarnett) References: <292@ontek.UUCP> <10447@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> Organization: Lab Rat Rumpus Room -- Cal Poly SLO Posted: Wed Apr 19 19:00:59 1989 Lines: 20 In article <10447@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU> steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU I wrote: > If that none of this works, then you can brute-force the routing >by doing: > > mail uunet!joeblow%ucxxabcd.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu Of course, on most new mailers, this will not do what I intended. Only old mailers will interpret this "correctly" (cough, choke) to be: uunet -> cunyvm -> ucxxabcd At any rate, the first two examples should work. Sorry for the mixup. We now return you to your regularly scheduled postings..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Steve DeJarnett | Smart Mailers -> steve@polyslo.CalPoly.EDU | | Computer Systems Lab | Dumb Mailers -> ..!ucbvax!voder!polyslo!steve | | Cal Poly State Univ. |------------------------------------------------| | San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 | BITNET = Because Idiots Type NETwork | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.misc: 25 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.7 09/01/89 VAX/VMS V4.7; site simpact.uucp Path: bi1!crash!ncr-sd!ncrcae!hubcap!gatech!ukma!david Newsgroups: comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: Now the reverse: bitnet -> uucp Message-ID: <11258@s.ms.uky.edu> From: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Date: 14 Mar 89 20:39:52 GMT Reply-To: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) References: <1244@sagepub.UUCP> Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences Keywords: bitnet uucp Lines: 26 Ah, here's the rub ... On BITNET each site has its own idea of the right way to do mail. They tell everybody else how to send mail there by way of some pre-defined tokens that are stored in a file available from BITNIC. There are many different ways of sending mail across BITNET. "NERVM" may not be able to to the right thing, which is: send a PUNCH file containing BSMTP formatted data to an appropriate user ID at some node. If it were sent to MAILER@PSUVAX1 then the right things would happen. But without knowing what software is available at NERVM it's hard to say what s/he needs to do. I do know that if they run the Crosswell mailer that it has magic stuff in it to turn mail addressed to user@host.uucp into a BSMTP file of the right qualities and ship it off to MAILER@PSUVAX1. -- <-- David Herron; an MMDF guy <-- ska: David le casse\*' {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <-- <-- For a good time send mail to somebody@ms.uky.edu