X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.uucp: 1379 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9C 19/12/89 VAX/VMS V5.2; site dcs.simpact.com Path: simpact!crash!ncr-sd!sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!twg!bill Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp Subject: Summary: Can a DOS user run UUCP? Message-ID: <241@twg.wimsey.bc.ca> From: bill@twg.wimsey.bc.ca (Bill Irwin) Date: 24 Jul 90 04:19:38 GMT Organization: TWG The Westrheim Group, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 271 A couple of weeks ago I posted an article asking if there was any DOS software available for running UUCP and/or News. Following is a reprint of my original question followed by a summary of the replies I received. Thanks to all who responded. [In message <223@twg.wimsey.bc.ca>, Bill Irwin writes...] |Please bear with me over my ignorance of DOS, but I've been 99% UNIX for |six years now. I have a friend who runs DOS on his system and has a |modem and is within local calling of my office. I would like to be able |to exchange email with him. Is there a DOS equivalent for HDB UUCP that |is public domain? If so, how would I get a copy? |While I'm at it, is there a DOS version of Bnews and rn/nn? DOS users certainly can. In fact, this message is asked on comp.mail.uucp every two weeks or so. Here's a list of the various packages available: UUPC and derivatives (free): UUPC post-1.0-interim (UUPC 1.06) This is the original free UUCP for MS-DOS. It works, but is very short on features and usability. UUPC/extended (UUPC 1.07j) This is an extended version of the original UUPC. It has many new features, but loses some capabilities. It is designed for small systems or for small subnets of DOS machines with the more advanced mail functions handled by a Unix neighbor. Mush-PC 6.5 This is a port of the excellent Unix Mush mailer (the "Mail User's Shell".) It lacks the simple routing capabilities of UUPC/extended but instead offers one of the most powerful mail user agents available on PC's. Mush is large, and as such is most usable on hard disk systems. It's worth it, though. smail/PC 1.0b3 (smail2.5 port version 1.0) smail/PC is my own port of the Unix smail2.5 smart mailer to MS-DOS. It provides smart routing, domain handling, aliasing, and all of the other features found in a UUCP smart mailer. The transport system is from UUPC and is included; the user agent is Mush-PC which must be obtained separately. smail/PC is the largest of these four related packages, but in return is the most capable UUCP mail system for MS-DOS. Other versions (shareware and commercial): UULINK This is a commercial package that has been available for some time. It is very capable, but is also very expensive. FSUUCP A shareware implementation. No mail routing, but supports news with a subset of the readnews command. Waffle A BBS with Usenet support, also with single-user news and mail facilities. I am not sure if this is shareware or free. Waffle is rapidly becoming popular, but lacks mail routing facilities. GNUUCP This is free, but is apparently even more primitive than the original UUPC. I have never seen it available; its uucico program is used by FSUUCP for UUCP protocol support. UFGate A Shareware package for Fidonet BBS's to access UUCP news and mail, UFGate is very hard to configure. It does offer single-user support, but it has fallen out of favor recently because of its size and difficulty of use. Of these, I have used all of the UUPC derivatives on my system. I ported smail/PC because I needed a mailer more capable than UUPC/extended that also supported Mush. It can handle any of the mail needs your friend may have, but lacks news support. This flaw, by the way, is common to all of the UUPC derivatives. All of the other packages explicity support news. -- Stephen Trier Case Western Reserve University Home: sct%seldon@scl.cwru.edu Information Network Services Work: trier@cwlim.ins.cwru.edu I do _not_ speak for the University. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is the Smail/PC announcement. I am happy to announce the release of the beta-test version of smail/PC, a port of the smail UUCP smart mailer to the MS-DOS operating system. smail/PC serves as a mail transport agent (MTA) capable of acting as a full-blown smart mailer with full routing capabilities. In other words, provide a routing database and smail/PC will automatically look up a path for your mail, even for mail of the form "someone@yyyy.UUCP". smail/PC also provides sophisticated aliasing capabilities, a full-name database that recognizes addresses like Stephen.C.Trier@seldon.UUCP, and the ability to communicate with and route mail for multiple UUCP hosts. smail/PC is based on the public domain smail2.5 mailer, which was written by the people at the UUCP mapping project. It uses a modified UUPC uuio for UUCP protocol support, and requires an external mail user agent (MUA) to provide a user interface. The only MUA with which I have tested smail/PC is Mush-PC, although smail/PC should work with any MUA that reads Unix-style mailboxes and can call smail/PC appropriately. (Anyone want to port MH?) I highly recommend Mush-PC; the mail environment it provides is superior to many Unix mail interfaces. Here's an (edited) excerpt from the Unix readme file for smail: Read.Me - Updated 9/15/87 Features of smail include: (1) Using pathalias data to choose the best route to your destination. (2) Handling of user@domain, domain!user, and host!user syntax. (3) Generation of domain!user syntax to be forwarded by other systems. (4) Logging of traffic through your machine, by sender, recipient, and size of message, so you can track use and detect abuse of your machine. (5) Mail being forwarded through your machine to another uux link is correctly processed, not bounced. (6) Sendmail-like alias capability. (7) Generation of RFC822 required headers for locally generated mail. (8) Robust delivery scheme that reroutes only if stated path is inaccessible. (9) Mail that is undeliverable is returned to sender. (10) Simplicity. smail/PC is in the late beta stage. I have tested the code thoroughly on seldon, and I believe it is sound. Bug reports are requested. smail/PC is mostly in the public domain. All programs derived from the Unix smail2.5 package are in the public domain, as are the programs I have added. The portions originating in the UUPC Post-1.0-interim release are copyrighted by their original authors, but are freely distributable. At this time, smail/PC is available only by anonymous FTP to shasta.scl.cwru.edu [129.22.32.7], in files /info/smailbin.zip and /info/smailsrc.zip. These files are in the PKZip format and require PKZip 1.01 or higher to extract. Because of disk space restrictions, I am not able to place Mush-PC on shasta. You can find Mush-PC on wuarchive.wustl.edu or SIMTEL20, in their MS-DOS UUCP directories. At this time, no other archive sites or access methods are available. Offers from other archive sites to carry smail/PC are hereby categorically accepted! :-) <=> Stephen Trier sct%seldon@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu {sun,att,decvax}!cwjcc!skybridge!seldon!sct sct@po.CWRU.Edu -- Steve Yelvington at the lake in Minnesota steve@thelake.mn.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I enclose information about waffle, a dos program that has uucp, etc. I use it for about a week and it seems to work. --- Avi README for Waffle DOS version 1.62 (C) Copyright 1989 Darkside International This software supersedes Waffle 1.61 which was released on 3-8-90. CAPABILITIES & FUNCTIONS o Allows a PC to communicate with Unix systems using UUCP protocol, giving them capability to send UUCP mail and Usenet news. o Can be run as an single-user, individual UUCP node, either in slave (they call you) or master (you call them) mode. o Can be run as a BBS program, including electronic mail, messages, editor, transfer section, cookies and numerous other amenities. o Can be run as a frontend to execute DOS tasks, with access control on a per individual basis. o Any combination of the above, with enough imagination. __ No signature ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Late Night Software's UFGATE. UFGATE is a package that will move files, mail, and news- groups back and forth between UUCP/USENET and MS-DOS machines. The package will gate between UUCP/USENET and FidoNet or you can just run the package stand-alone, effectively being a leaf site in UUCP/USENET. UFGATE runs on IBM-PC/XT/AT or PS/2 machines or compatibles. UFGATE will also work with MS-DOS or PC-DOS machines that are not 100 percent IBM-PC hardware compatible with an appropriate FOSSIL (a communications device driver). This is needed for the UUCICO clone, GNUUCP (aka. UUSLAVE). The GNUUCP program has been brought up to a full implementation of UUCICO with routines so it can run with the MS-DOS file structure. You can initiate or receive UUCP connections and there is full support for l.sys files. You can even use it with PC Pursuit. The package will handle the importing, exporting of UUCP messages, and also the automatic deletion of old USENET newsgroup messages. UFGATE will also handle mail/newsgroups that have been either 12 or 16 bit compressed. UFGATE can handle either UUCP bang-style, ARPA/INTERNET domain style, or a hybrid of both. It can also handle aliases for individuals or machine names. Message forwarding is also built in. UFGATE can handle multiple hosts. Message formatting, like the automatic appending of individual signature files, is supported. Detailed debugging is available, so setup is easier. UFGATE is free to non-commercial, non-supported users. If you are interested in support, which includes updates for a year, the Late Night Software telephone support service, and a hard copy of the manual, a $35 fee is asked. If you are a commercial site, you will automatically get the support described above, and the manual for $195. Support is available to all users via the UFGATE echo on FidoNet. You can download the UFGATE package from the Late Night Software BBS at: +1 415 695 0759. Currently we have a USRobotics dual standard (HST/v.32) 9600b/s modem. The time to transfer the file (UFGATE.ARC) at 9600b/s is 10 minutes, or at 2400b/s, it would be about 40 minutes. We also accept floppies. You can send either 360Kbyte or 1.2Mbyte, five and a quarter inch floppies. If you send 360Kbyte floppies, send four. The package will fit completely on one 1.2Mbyte floppy. The floppies should be pre-formatted on your machine. Send the floppies in a standard floppy mailer with a return label, and return postage to: Late Night Software Tim Pozar 671 28th Street San Francisco, CA 94131 If you have further questions, you can write us at the above address, or call us at +1 415 695 7727, or write to the Email address below. Internet: lns@f555.n125.z1.fidonet.org UUCP: ...!sun!hoptoad!fidogate!lns -- Tim Pozar Try also... uunet!hoptoad!kumr!pozar Fido: 1:125/555 PaBell: (415) 788-3904 USNail: KKSF-FM / 77 Maiden Lane / San Francisco CA 94108 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- There are several UUPC (MSDOS version of UUCP) programs. FSUUPC is (public domain, I think), UUPC is shareware, UUPC07JU is shareware and the best of all WAFFLE (shareware), which is a BBS/UUCP program. With WAFFLE, the user is able to read local news, and USENET news. I think FSUUPC or UUPC07JU has PNEWS too (I might be wrong). They are available from simtel20. -- Budi Rahardjo Electrical Engineering - University of Manitoba - Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Bill Irwin - TWG The Westrheim Group - Vancouver, BC, Canada ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ uunet!van-bc!twg!bill (604) 431-9600 (voice) | UNIX Systems bill@twg.wimsey.bc.ca (604) 431-4629 (fax) | Integration X-NEWS: simpact comp.mail.uucp: 1639 Relay-Version: VMS News - V5.9C 19/12/89 VAX/VMS V5.2; site dcs.simpact.com Path: simpact!crash!ncr-sd!sdd.hp.com!decwrl!shelby!agate!violet.berkeley.edu!shih Newsgroups: comp.mail.uucp,comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: UUCP/USENET software for PC/MS-DOS Message-ID: <1990Aug29.074809.11057@agate.berkeley.edu> From: shih@violet.berkeley.edu (Andrew Shih) Date: 29 Aug 90 07:48:09 GMT Reply-To: shih@violet.berkeley.edu (Andrew Shih) Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator;;;;ZU44) Followup-To: Various, my original post References: Various, Distribution: usa Organization: University of California, Berkeley Keywords: Summary of Replies Lines: 77 Xref: simpact comp.mail.uucp:1639 comp.mail.misc:2185 Summary of Replies received on the above mentioned --------------------------------------------------- 3 Packages are generally available in the public domain/shareware world. 1. Waffle 1.62 Waffle is a program that can do mail, USENET news, and act as a full fledged bbs of its own. It has come highly recommended by a number of users. Available by: anonymous ftp from simtel20.army.mil, file is PD2:WAF162.ZIP anonymous ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu, in /mirror/msdos/bbs/waf162.zip also available from the augthor, suggested registration is $35. Thomas E. Dell Darkside Int'l dell@vox.darkside.com PO Box 4436 Mountain View, CA 94040-0436 2. FSUUCP Don't know too much about it, other than that its been suggested to me by a number of respondents. Available by: anonymous ftp from polyslo.calpoly.edu as fsuucp11.zip (in /pub) From the Author (cambler@polyslo.calpoly.edu) Fubar Systems 805-54-FUBAR (BBS number) FSUUCP Request 805-544-9234 (Voice Support) 1525 Mill #6 San Luis Obispo, CA 93401-2543 3. UFGATE Don't know much either, except that it runs the usual uucp routines, handles importing, exporting of UUCP messages, and news, auto deletion of old news, addressing etc. Available by download from Late Night Software BBS 1-415-695-0759 Also from the author (lns@f555.n125.z1.fidonet.org) Late Night Software Tim Pozar voice info (415 695 7727) 671 28th St. San Francisco, CA 94131 ------------------------ Other respondents also mentioned UUPC, although I don't know how to get it ------------------------ So far I have only installed waffle and have not yet had the opportunity to run as a site yet (have not set up a mail/news feed locally yet). But in general I found the documentation to be kind of overwhelming and somewhat confusing for the uninitiated, also seems like a lot of trouble to go through if only want news/mail and not to set up as a full blown bbs. The jury is still out though. I have yet to download FSUUCP or UFGATE (1200 baud is maddeningly slow!). Will keep people posted. In the mean time, I would appreciate e-mail comments on the above software, especially as concerns installation, ease of use, flexibility, communicating w. the host site, and other little details like that. Regards, Andrew H. Shih, Applications Engineer, Watkins-Johnson Company,Scotts Valley CA E-mail: shih@violet.berkeley.edu ...ucbvax!violet.berkeley.edu!shih USnail: 1630 Merrill St #505, Santa Cruz, CA 95062/ 1-408-475-0732 Office: Watkins-Johnson Company, 440 Kings Village Rd, Scotts Valley, CA ph: 408-439-6265 fax: 408-438-6826 Andrew H. Shih, Applications Engineer, Watkins-Johnson Company,Scotts Valley CA E-mail: shih@violet.berkeley.edu ...ucbvax!violet.berkeley.edu!shih USnail: 1630 Merrill St #505, Santa Cruz, CA 95062/ 1-408-475-0732