From - Tue Oct 14 07:45:06 1997 Path: news.mitre.org!blanket.mitre.org!news.tufts.edu!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!out2.nntp.cais.net!in1.nntp.cais.net!polaris.net!dialup60.talstar.com!user From: gio+van+no+ni+8@tal+star+spam.com (Giovanni 8) Newsgroups: alt.security.pgp,comp.security.pgp.discuss,alt.security,talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.government.abuse Subject: Re: Europeans Reject U.S. Plan On Electronic Cryptography Date: 14 Oct 1997 03:05:06 GMT Organization: FSUOC TFN NRA AXE Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <876400554.14109@dejanews.com> <343cdd00.9051655@nntp.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup60.talstar.com X-no-archive: yes X-archive: no Xref: news.mitre.org alt.security.pgp:82496 comp.security.pgp.discuss:8833 alt.security:46822 talk.politics.crypto:26782 alt.privacy:49974 alt.privacy.anon-server:14211 alt.government.abuse:15850 > W T Shaw wrote: >> David Sternlight wrote: >> Mostly it's about:... >> 2. Those who don't like any government restrictions on their >> privacy either as a personal matter or as a "defending >> the Constitution" matter; > This defines the real majority, those who dislike having > things rammed down their throats. Unlike David's copy, my copy of the US constitution does not have an extensive list of convenience exceptions to the amendments in the bill of rights which recognize the individual right to privacy. As a matter of fact, the one exception it does show requires proof of probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. Frankly, I'm somewhat skeptical of the security of PGP given the coincidence of the federal government's sudden decision to stop harassing one of the authors and the strengthened tracking of down-loads of the software. "The protection guaranteed by the Amendments is much broader in scope. The makers of our Constitution undertook to secure conditions favorable to the pursuit of happiness. They recognized the significance of man's spiritual nature, of his feelings & of his intellect. They knew that only a part of the pain, pleasure & satisfactiosn of life are to be found in material things. They sought to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions & their sensations. They conferred, as against the gov't, the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights & the right most valued by civilized men. To protect that right, every unjustifiable intrusion by the gov't upon the privacy of the individual, whatever the means employed, must be deemed a violation of the 4th Amendment. and the use, as evidence in a criminal proceeding, of facts ascertained by such intrusion must be deemed a violation of the 5th." --- Louis Brandeis dissent in Olmstead v US -- copyright 1997 jgo All rights reserved. Permission to down-load, read, store for less than 1 hour for the purpose of responding is hereby granted. Further licenses available at reasonable rates.